richhotrain LOL, love those home photos that Trunk keeps showing us. Rich
LOL, love those home photos that Trunk keeps showing us.
Rich
Alton Junction
RR_Mel GrandTrunk-HO This was stated as an "Optional Procedure" (using spray paint booth inside a garage). Also stating that only a 4" inch dia. flexible exhaust hose is required. It depends on spray volume, a 4” fan and vent doesn’t cut it with 11 ounce spray cans. The 6” duct and fan does work OK, but just OK, it wouldn’t hurt to go up one more size for total fume removal using spray cans. That’s from 30 years of experience with my booth. The worst fumes seem to be from Clear and Matte Krylon. Mel
GrandTrunk-HO
This was stated as an "Optional Procedure" (using spray paint booth inside a garage). Also stating that only a 4" inch dia. flexible exhaust hose is required.
It depends on spray volume, a 4” fan and vent doesn’t cut it with 11 ounce spray cans. The 6” duct and fan does work OK, but just OK,
it wouldn’t hurt to go up one more size for total fume removal using spray cans. That’s from 30 years of experience with my booth.
The worst fumes seem to be from Clear and Matte Krylon.
Mel
Question: (#1)
Why is a home dryer only using 4" inch dia. exhaust line, to vent out the excess air?
Yes Mel, you may be (100%) correct since you are using commercial spray cans that have much higher spray paint output pressure.
You also stated that you are using Matte Krylon, that is only a regular spray paint container, used in many different spray painting applications.
Using higher pressure paint spray paint containers, will require a larger air exhaust system.
I presently have the AZTEK #A4709 complete package, dual action spray gun, that operates at a much lower controlled air pressure output.
GrandTrunk-HO This was stated as an "Optional Procedure" (using spray paint booth inside a garage). Also stating that only a 4" inch dia. flexible exhaust hose is required.
mobilman44 So everyone else - except GTHO - should and do "risk" their MR photos. Perhaps there is a good reason for that..........like "there ain't none".
So everyone else - except GTHO - should and do "risk" their MR photos.
Perhaps there is a good reason for that..........like "there ain't none".
Why don't you ask the same question to Dave hon30critter?
He just recently placed in more privacy protection at his (http://oi785.photobucket.com/albums/.....).
This was just before I got to view all the pictures of his hobby work bench. (proof - there are several Proto 2000 Locomotives in blue boxes on the lower shelf).
JoeinPA GrandTrunk-HO I will be very shortly setting up my own private photo albums of my model train layout for everyone to view. I think that we will all be waiting . It should be interesting to see what you have done. No paste ups please. Joe
I will be very shortly setting up my own private photo albums of my model train layout for everyone to view.
I think that we will all be waiting . It should be interesting to see what you have done. No paste ups please.
Joe
doctorwayne ...... As an aside, your pasted-up posts do not lend themselves to simple editing for brevity when one wishes to quote only the pertinent points of your offerings. I'd guess that most people would like to see what you've done, rather than copies of stuff which they themselves could find on-line. I'm not arguing the usefulness of the images, only that your personal efforts might be a more convincing way to share information...... Wayne
...... As an aside, your pasted-up posts do not lend themselves to simple editing for brevity when one wishes to quote only the pertinent points of your offerings.
I'd guess that most people would like to see what you've done, rather than copies of stuff which they themselves could find on-line. I'm not arguing the usefulness of the images, only that your personal efforts might be a more convincing way to share information......
Wayne
This model train forum requires using a 2nd party web site to post your own "pictures". I totally except the challenge to transfer my layout pictures to a cloud.
Please be patient.
hon30critter GrandTrunk-HO Cut out required hole size to the bottom corner of a garage door. You have got to be kidding me! Do you seriously think that I am going to cut a hole in my beautiful new garage doors in order to deal with a problem that barely exists? ...... Dave
Cut out required hole size to the bottom corner of a garage door. You have got to be kidding me! Do you seriously think that I am going to cut a hole in my beautiful new garage doors in order to deal with a problem that barely exists? ......
Dave
Maybe some other individual may even consider this option. This is where I got the this idea from. Many years ago I was involved in building custom street rods at a private residence's garage and this same procedure was used to vent out the engine exhaust gases.
GrandTrunk-HOCut out required hole size to the bottom corner of a garage door.
You have got to be kidding me! Do you seriously think that I am going to cut a hole in my beautiful new garage doors in order to deal with a problem that barely exists? We take pride in the appearance of our home and you are suggesting that I should add a dryer vent to the front of the house! It would look like crap, especially when mounted in a garage door. What are you smoking?
As I said, things work just fine the way they are.
I'm just a dude with a bad back having a lot of fun with model trains, and finally building a layout!
doctorwayne I think that most will agree that any critics here are not so cruel as to belittle another's efforts, so no need to be afraid of sharing your work.
.
That is true. Nobody has belittled posts of my efforts. I certainly do not stack up well against many of the regular participants in here.
This is an encouraging and friendly group.
-Kevin
Living the dream.
GrandTrunk-HOGrandTrunk-HO wrote the following post 9 hours ago: hon30critter Hi Wayne: It's not the 'how' to put a hole through the brick wall that is the issue. I have done it before. The problem is the exterior appearance...... I really don't want to put an exhaust vent in the middle of all that...... Dave Optional Procedures: (using spray paint booth inside a garage) There is no need to punch a hole through a solid wall garage wall...... Combine "SeeYou190" garage outdoor vented spray paint booth vented procedure and using "bibbster" rear mounted fan air shroud.
The mention of punching a hole through the brick was incidental to the suggestion that a small, separate room could be created to enable cold-weather painting, since it would be more practical to heat a smaller space. The suggestion to place it in a corner was to limit the expense, and the brick punch-through dealt simply with creating an outdoor exhaust. I'm not familiar with Dave's house, so couldn't have known about the exterior decor.Besides that, a vent in the garage door would, I think, be equally obtrusive, whether or not the side wall were decorated.
As an aside, your pasted-up posts do not lend themselves to simple editing for brevity when one wishes to quote only the pertinent points of your offerings. I'd guess that most people would like to see what you've done, rather than copies of stuff which they themselves could find on-line. I'm not arguing the usefulness of the images, only that your personal efforts might be a more convincing way to share information. After all, most folks here who post photos to illustrate what they've done actually want to show their own work. I think that most will agree that any critics here are not so cruel as to belittle another's efforts, so no need to be afraid of sharing your work.
GrandTrunk-HOI will be very shortly setting up my own private photo albums of my model train layout for everyone to view.
GrandTrunk-HO .... to fully protect my own privacy when it comes to using the internet.
.... to fully protect my own privacy when it comes to using the internet.
That's an understatement. In your multiple aliases from that "other forum" and even this forum, you still refuse to acknowledge even your first name to anyone.
Mark.
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hon30critter Hi Wayne: It's not the 'how' to put a hole through the brick wall that is the issue. I have done it before. The problem is the exterior appearance...... I really don't want to put an exhaust vent in the middle of all that...... Dave
Hi Wayne:
It's not the 'how' to put a hole through the brick wall that is the issue. I have done it before. The problem is the exterior appearance......
I really don't want to put an exhaust vent in the middle of all that......
Optional Procedures: (using spray paint booth inside a garage)
There is no need to punch a hole through a solid wall garage wall......
Combine "SeeYou190" garage outdoor vented spray paint booth vented procedure and using "bibbster" rear mounted fan air shroud.
"SeeYou190"
"bibbster"
Combine together and modify these (2) above examples to have a more ideal garage usage spray painting booth.
Actual House Ventilation Procedures Used:
* House ventilation uses a 6" inch round or larger metal venting.
* A large output home laundry dryer only uses 4" inch round air venting.
Using a totally enclosed garage (garage door closed), all year round in many different climates, to vent out the paint fumes directly to the outside.
Mounting a home laundry dryer vent to to the bottom corner of a garage door.
Procedure: (#1)
Purchase a flush mounted dryer vent (4" inch dia.) vent hose size.
Procedure: (#2)
Cut out required hole size to the bottom corner of a garage door.
Procedure: (#3)
Cut off any of the excess metal venting tube from the flush mounted dryer vent, only allowing for a 2" inch clamping hose depth mounting surface.
Procedure: (#4)
For a secure and solid mounting of the flush mounted dryer vent, use brass screws and brass nuts.
Procedure: (#5)
Use (4" inch dia.) plastic vent hose that can used when stretched out and also compressed when not in use.
So everyone else - except GTHO - should and do "risk" their MR photos. Perhaps there is a good reason for that..........like "there ain't none".
ENJOY !
Mobilman44
Living in southeast Texas, formerly modeling the "postwar" Santa Fe and Illinois Central
mobilman44 To Grand Trunk HO............ That's a really nice spray booth you show. As I just got through a spray episode in the garage, I am interested in a booth. How about a pic of your installation. Seeing publicity photos is one thing, seeing an actual satisfied customer installation is another. Looking forward to the pics!
To Grand Trunk HO............ That's a really nice spray booth you show. As I just got through a spray episode in the garage, I am interested in a booth.
How about a pic of your installation. Seeing publicity photos is one thing, seeing an actual satisfied customer installation is another. Looking forward to the pics!
Steven Otte Considering that the Forum software does not provide for hosting photos on the Forum, hot linking is technically the ONLY way to post photos on the Forum......
Considering that the Forum software does not provide for hosting photos on the Forum, hot linking is technically the ONLY way to post photos on the Forum......
I do not fully trust using the internet for photo albums, to fully protect my own privacy when it comes to using the internet. I will be very shortly setting up my own private photo albums of my model train layout for everyone to view.
Warning:
Most of you are using http://i####.photobucket.com/albums/......
Be very careful how you post your photos from any web site location, so that you only post what photos/library you want to show. I clicked on an image in this posting, and used "Copy Image Address".
Using the "Image Address" location and modifying the end location definitions to this web site photo album location, I was able to view all the (non protected private) libraries. Be sure to use the best internet privacy procedures and correct protocol when postings images in any internet forum.
P.S. My actual photos to be posted.
richhotrain Mark R. I thought there was once a rule against hot-linking pictures ? I got called on the carpet once for hot-linking photos and was told to only use links to said photos .... Mark. More important than a rule, there is a copyright law that prohibits the use of photos, including those on manufacturer's websites, without the express written permission of the owner of those photos. At a minimum, the source of the photos should be cited by the user. The proper way to show photos on Internet sites such as this forum is to simply provide a link to those photos. The unauthorized use of privately owned photos, including those on manufacturer's websites, is subject to fines. Negative comments about a product can result in legal action where the negative comments are meritless or knowingly false. The best way to deal with sharing photos of manufacturer's products on a public forum is to only show personal photos of products that you have actually purchased. Hope this helps. Rich
Mark R.
I thought there was once a rule against hot-linking pictures ? I got called on the carpet once for hot-linking photos and was told to only use links to said photos ....
More important than a rule, there is a copyright law that prohibits the use of photos, including those on manufacturer's websites, without the express written permission of the owner of those photos. At a minimum, the source of the photos should be cited by the user.
The proper way to show photos on Internet sites such as this forum is to simply provide a link to those photos.
The unauthorized use of privately owned photos, including those on manufacturer's websites, is subject to fines.
Negative comments about a product can result in legal action where the negative comments are meritless or knowingly false.
The best way to deal with sharing photos of manufacturer's products on a public forum is to only show personal photos of products that you have actually purchased.
Hope this helps.
Steven Otte Considering that the Forum software does not provide for hosting photos on the Forum, hot linking is technically the ONLY way to post photos on the Forum. Rather than the method of posting, the actual question here is which photos are OK to post and which aren't. Photos the poster personally shot are obviously OK, since he holds the copyright. Photos shot by someone else who retains the copyright, such as pictures of the prototype on RailPictures.net or pictures of other people's layouts, are not OK. That said, I don't have the time to chase down every photo posted to the Forums and track its copyright. You people are expected to be on the honor system. Photos of products from the website of a manufacturer or vendor are more of a gray area. Where the line is drawn depends on their use. The general rule is, it's OK to post those photos for purposes of comment or review -- as in "I bought this locomotive, it's great/awful" or "Would this structure kit fit my era?" That's called "fair use." Where it's not OK is secondary or commercial use -- offering signs made from someone else's photos of old advertisements, or using a vendor's photo in your eBay auction, for instance. Not to mention, advertising, promoting, or linking to commercial endeavors like eBay auctions are against the rules of this Forum, anyway. But since GrandTrunk-HO isn't promoting the sale of the brand of spray booth he claims to have, there's nothing wrong with him linking to outside images of it in his post.
Considering that the Forum software does not provide for hosting photos on the Forum, hot linking is technically the ONLY way to post photos on the Forum.
Rather than the method of posting, the actual question here is which photos are OK to post and which aren't.
Photos the poster personally shot are obviously OK, since he holds the copyright. Photos shot by someone else who retains the copyright, such as pictures of the prototype on RailPictures.net or pictures of other people's layouts, are not OK. That said, I don't have the time to chase down every photo posted to the Forums and track its copyright. You people are expected to be on the honor system.
Photos of products from the website of a manufacturer or vendor are more of a gray area. Where the line is drawn depends on their use. The general rule is, it's OK to post those photos for purposes of comment or review -- as in "I bought this locomotive, it's great/awful" or "Would this structure kit fit my era?" That's called "fair use." Where it's not OK is secondary or commercial use -- offering signs made from someone else's photos of old advertisements, or using a vendor's photo in your eBay auction, for instance.
Not to mention, advertising, promoting, or linking to commercial endeavors like eBay auctions are against the rules of this Forum, anyway.
But since GrandTrunk-HO isn't promoting the sale of the brand of spray booth he claims to have, there's nothing wrong with him linking to outside images of it in his post.
Thank you Steven Otte for clearing up this matter.
So that would also mean that all manufacture images in this forum like, Digitrax, NCE, and Etc. are approved to be used.
Special Notes:
As I had previously stated, the paint booth that I have posted, does "Not" even have a manufacture brand name of this mass produced China made product.
Most distributors put their own private name on this portable paint booth.
It's not the 'how' to put a hole through the brick wall that is the issue. I have done it before. The problem is the exterior appearance. We have decorated the side wall of the house where the vent would be with a variety of wrought and cast iron 'doodads' so the trip from the front of the house to the back is actually rather interesting. Among other things, there is a 1/2 moon with stars, a cast iron welcome mat, a forest nymph face, and a nicely rusted cast iron lion face door knocker that is about 16" tall. There are also a couple of marble benches just for looks. I really don't want to put an exhaust vent in the middle of all that. By most peoples' standards it's probably already tacky enough as is!
My current paint booth methods seem to work OK so I don't think I need to fiddle with them.
Cheers!!
hon30critter 0-6-0 Can you smell paint any were else in your house? That depends on the season. My paint booth is in my garage and it is not vented outside. In the summer time when temperatures inside the garage are warm enough to allow the paint to dry properly and I can open the doors for ventilation there is no smell in the house. However in colder weather, since the garage is not heated, I am forced to bring my freshly painted items inside the house to allow the paint to cure. When I do that the smell can be quite strong in my basement workshop, but there is minimal smell in the rest of the house as long as I keep the door to the workshop closed. The smell doesn't severely affect my wife or me but it's not very pleasant. It would be easy to install a window exhaust fan if I wanted to vent the workshop outside. Installing an outside exhaust vent in the garage would involve cutting through a brick wall so I'm not going there. Note that I use mostly acrylics for the colour coats, but I do use rattle can solvent based primers. Dave
0-6-0
That depends on the season. My paint booth is in my garage and it is not vented outside. In the summer time when temperatures inside the garage are warm enough to allow the paint to dry properly and I can open the doors for ventilation there is no smell in the house. However in colder weather, since the garage is not heated, I am forced to bring my freshly painted items inside the house to allow the paint to cure. When I do that the smell can be quite strong in my basement workshop, but there is minimal smell in the rest of the house as long as I keep the door to the workshop closed. The smell doesn't severely affect my wife or me but it's not very pleasant. It would be easy to install a window exhaust fan if I wanted to vent the workshop outside. Installing an outside exhaust vent in the garage would involve cutting through a brick wall so I'm not going there.
Note that I use mostly acrylics for the colour coats, but I do use rattle can solvent based primers.
hon30critter ....It would be easy to install a window exhaust fan if I wanted to vent the workshop outside. Installing an outside exhaust vent in the garage would involve cutting through a brick wall so I'm not going there.
....It would be easy to install a window exhaust fan if I wanted to vent the workshop outside. Installing an outside exhaust vent in the garage would involve cutting through a brick wall so I'm not going there.
Dave, putting a vent through brick is actually pretty easy, and the only "specialty" tool you'd need is a masonry bit long enough to go through the brick. If you've got a corner of the garage that would be suitable, you'd need to build only two walls, assuming that your garage floor is in better shape than mine. That would give you an easy-to-heat space for painting, and if needs be, you could leave the painted items to dry there with the heat turned down a bit.Also, it shouldn't take too much floorspace, so your garage should still be useable. I still use some lacquer-based paints, but load the painted and dry-to-the-touch items into a covered cardboard box to take them back to the house for drying in the former paint shop. The odour is not an issue. I don't store anything in the paint shop in the garage except the compressor. I used to carry it up from the basement out to the shop (instantly useable with no warm-up needed), then haul it back, but with a lot of snow or ice on the ground, 80lbs. gets heavy pretty quickly.
0-6-0The reason I ask is my wife and daughter have asthma. And just about any chemical smell will set it off.
Frank... My wife is very sensitive to odors. I would never paint in the house. There is no reason in taking even a chance on this for me. My paint booth is in the garage and ducted outside.
Florida has great weather for painting a few months a year.
To Grand Trunk HO............ That's a really nice spray booth you show. As I just got through a spray episode in the garage, I am interested in a booth. How about a pic of your installation. Seeing publicity photos is one thing, seeing an actual satisfied customer installation is another. Looking forward to the pics!
--Steven Otte, Model Railroader senior associate editorsotte@kalmbach.com
Mark R. I thought there was once a rule against hot-linking pictures ? I got called on the carpet once for hot-linking photos and was told to only use links to said photos .... Mark.
The unauthorized use of privately owned photos, including those on manufacturer's websites, is subject to fines. Negative comments about a product can result in legal action where the negative comments are meritless or knowingly false.
0-6-0Can you smell paint any were else in your house?
0-6-0 Hello How well do these booth's really work any one of them? The reason I ask is my wife and daughter have asthma. And just about any chemical smell will set it off. So I paint out side summer only my garage is part of the house and are bed rooms are over it. Do think one of these would be safe? Can you smell paint any were else in your house? Thank's Frank
Hello How well do these booth's really work any one of them? The reason I ask is my wife and daughter have asthma. And just about any chemical smell will set it off. So I paint out side summer only my garage is part of the house and are bed rooms are over it. Do think one of these would be safe? Can you smell paint any were else in your house? Thank's Frank
Frank,
I also have asthma, as does some in my family, and I have a portable spray booth that is nearly identical to the one pictured. (Mine came from Micromark, during one of their sales.) [Nearly identical in that mine is the non-lit version.]
I set mine up in the attached garage, which sits behind a storage room (freezer room, where our freezer is kept.), which sits directly behind the dining room.
I only spray acrylic's, and that booth seems to do a fine job with them.
NOTE: Acrylic paints DO smell, especially to those of us who are "scent-sensitive", such as asthmatics.
Just remember to vent it outside, and have a fresh air intake somewhere to replace the displaced "contaminated" (for lack of a better term at this time of the night....) air that goes out from the booth vent. (I generally open the garage door, unless it is inclement weather wise, then I just open a second window.)
Doing it this way, zero fumes inside the rest of the house, from the acrylic's, and only slight smell from the aerosol style lacquer paints. (Testor's Dullcote)
(Just as an FYI, I have, however, found that Badger Modelflex has a very nice flat clear that works well in place of Dullcote, with zero fumes outside of the garage. I am going to try ModelMaster clear flat next, as the local HobbyLobby stocks it.)
My only other addition, other than the booth and airbrush, is that, when I paint, just as a precaution, I wear one of the respirator masks, just to prevent any escaped fumes inside the garage from causing any issues with me in it. (Not needed once I am in from the garage though.)
Not once (save for Dullcote) have any of us smelled anything inside the rest of the house doing it this way. (Without venting to the outside, we can smell just slightly the acrylic's. The filter system does cut down very slightly the fumes, but is more of a "particulate" filter than a "scent" filter.)
Ricky W.
HO scale Proto-freelancer.
My Railroad rules:
1: It's my railroad, my rules.
2: It's for having fun and enjoyment.
3: Any objections, consult above rules.
0-6-0 Can you smell paint any were else in your house? Thank's Frank
Can you smell paint any were else in your house? Thank's Frank
GrandTrunk-HOdoctorwayne JoeinPA I think that he thinks he is a master of illusion. I thought that he was actually advertising a product which he was selling, and I almost reported the post. Stick out tongue Wayne Hi Wayne: What is the real purpose of this reply? How can a person master of illusion post actual manufacturing specifications? How can I be actually advertising a product that I am selling, without a designated location?
Are you always so on-edge? This hobby is supposed to be fun, and for me, it is.
Max I agree with you and posted a Do Not Feed the Bears pic in one of his threads.
Either he thinks he is the reincarnation of John Allen and is happy to share his knowledge or he derives some enjoyment out of jerking peoples' chains. If I gave you my opinion it might be construed as a violation of forum guidelines.
Despite the criticism of look of his posts, they look really slick. For better or worse you can see exactly what he is talking about. The Newbie might think these are some sort of reference posts, especially since they are followed by numerous posts that the Newbie might not read.
That doesn't seem to be of concern to management. Not being a fan of UCLA at Berkley, I can see their point and suggest ignore is the best option left to us.
I, for one, have been wrong in some of my posts. I did my best, but I am here to learn, not pontificate. If I get it wrong, and one of you corrects me, I have learned something, as did everyone else who didn't know and reads the post.
Grand Trunk If you really think your knowledge is so valuable and informative for the Hoi Polloi, you are wasting your time in these forums that don't appreciate you. You should start your own website and maybe Youtube channel so you can reach the maximum number of people.
Henry
COB Potomac & Northern
Shenandoah Valley
maxman Mel & Mark: You know, if you guys just left this alone, it would go away on its own accord. I understand why you might be perturbed, but I don't understand why you feel the need to provoke it with a stick.
Mel & Mark: You know, if you guys just left this alone, it would go away on its own accord. I understand why you might be perturbed, but I don't understand why you feel the need to provoke it with a stick.