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Anyone here into vintage HO? 1940s thru the 60s?

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Posted by emdmike on Sunday, July 7, 2019 9:45 PM

Most of my HO and even my G scale are "vintage" or "old", whichever term you prefer.  But, I know my older brass will be running long after that new fangled train with unknown quality metal castings and lots of throw away electronics as long bit the dust.  Same for the older Blue Box era Athearns, while I moved up to brass from them, they served the purpose thru the years I was unable to afford a brass or higher quality locomotive.  The estate tables at shows are my sweet spots to be, along with any dealer with brass.  Only thing I buy brand new is track.  In G scale, my live steamer is an Aster 4-4-0 from the mid 1970s, and Kalamazoo trains from the early 80's.  I have some brass that dates back into the mid 1950's.  So count me in as a lover of older HO trains.   Mike the Aspie

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Posted by toptrain on Monday, July 8, 2019 7:02 AM
  Mike great post. Only difference with me is I started and stayed with HO. I always thought that HO in the 50-s and 60-s gave you a lot of choices in trains and builders. I’m not comparing it to today just I liked what I had. It was more than enough. You never stop looking for stuff. I still for years haven’t found a Mantua Deep Rock single dome tank car from their old paper sided, all metal Line. Or a HObbyline Lowery styled FM H12-44 in either of the 3 road names I don’t have, UP ATSF or C&O. Also Hobbyline made B&O Alco FA-1 locos, These were uncataloged locomotives made in 1955 for a Baltimore Hobby shop, Lloyd's. These Alco FA-1s in B&O were special uncataloged items. They did PRR in both Brunswick Green for their freight sets, and Tuscan red for their passenger sets. Other FA-1's were Erie, Western Pacific, Union Pacific. The B&O FA-1's were used only in a the 2 Lloyde's sets. Lloyd's set #1 was a passenger set and #2 was a Freight set. The passenger set has been sold on EBay a few times while no photos are found of the B&O Freight set. To date 8-11-22 no photo has been posted anywhere of the freight set. Lloyd's info states set 2 has a twin set of B&O FA-1's, 6 freight cars, and a caboose. This info makes set #2 the largest ready to run set HObbyline has ever produced. I have made a set that uses all HObbyline locos and cars to show what the set may have looked like. I can not get the photo to post here.
 
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Posted by toptrain on Tuesday, July 9, 2019 10:39 AM
4 different HObbyline cabooses.About the HObbyline caboose and a little history.
 
  This is about the HObbyline standard caboose for 1954 and 1955. It is a center cupola type with 2 side windows and open platforms with handrails on each end. It is thought by some to be a promotional car for the road name on it was HObbyline.This kind of large but older fashion caboose was their main stay when it came to cabooses. It was used on all there HObbyline set from 1953 to 1955 this caboose was on the tail end of every freight set they made. After 1955 they had a Pennys and UP version. Their caboose kit kept getting its decal sheet updated going from PRR and UP with the addition on WP, SP, and I think a couple of others.  As a promotion car it seemed it didn't work to well for by the end of 1957 the company was gone. That is almost 63 years ago.
  What a legacy this company left. The most obvious being Lionel's first HO made in USA most of which came from the English dies, their freight cars, their steam locomotives, and their FA1 diesel all of  HObbyline tradition. Gordon Varney wound up with both the Streamline and Heavy weight (clerestory roof) passenger cars. Somewhere along the line other car types were added, observation, Pullman, Dinner, and full baggage to each Heavy weight and streamlined style. Then Life Like used them right into their proto 2000 era and I guess Walters have them now. Penn Line also used these passenger cars. Little known was Mr. J. A. English had completed a PRR consolidation and was ready to release it. This complete tooling along with the English-HObbyline PRR A5 went to Bowser and became the basis for his line of metal PRR steam locos and the recent made PRR A5. Whatever happened to the English die cast FA-1, FB-1 tooling? Well it seems it went to Lindsay who sold their own kits of them, and bodies and frames to Hobby town of Boston who further prolonged the life of this model. It is easy to say that most HO train modelers have in their rosters of HO trains a few of these model trains either made directly by HObbyline English or the following companies who had acquired HObbyline, English tooling.
  Do you wonder where Walters FM H10-44 came from? Place a HObbyline one alongside the Walters and think about it.
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Posted by toptrain on Tuesday, July 16, 2019 4:22 AM

 

Two large and powerfull steam locomotives I like to run are a pair of PRR J-1 types. Both are old brass locos. The first being the newer of the two being a KTM made model of 1966 that was a AHM release. The other one I think is a early 60-62 HOTCO, HO Trains Company release. I Have some nice photos and have posted then in a edit on 8-15-19. Both have excelent detail the KTM differs in having outside sanders as though it has been modeled from a loco that has been in service for awhile and has had it sander pipes replaced.

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Posted by hardcoalcase on Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:14 PM

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...and a Varney SW-something diesel.

Jim 

The Varney was (and is) a phase III NW2.  The SP&S's NW2's were phase III.  It is the only phase III available.

Ed 

A belated response... and so it is a NW2 phase 3!  As a steam guy, all diesels look the same to me Wink.

In doing some follow up, I found that there was a brass model from Oriental Limited.  Didn't see a price, but I had a hunch that upgrading the Varney version would be a very attractive alternative.  I hope your project went well!

Jim 

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, July 23, 2019 1:31 PM

 That's another one I have, a Varney NW2, in B&O. Was at my grandfather's. He had a train layout set up, just 3 nested ovals on a 4x8, no turnouts. One loop ran a Varney set with the NW2, another had the ATT Stephenson's Rocket set, and the smallest had a Tyco trolley. I might still have the power pack the ran the two outer ovals, a twin throttle unit, where he had penciled in what the maximum speed we were supposed to run at.

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Posted by toptrain on Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:17 AM

 Actualy I dont know what vintage is. I know it as old stuff. The time period may be different to everyone. Maybe it is just a polite and proper way of refering to old sfuff. Being 73 does that make me a Vintage person? 

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Posted by toptrain on Thursday, July 25, 2019 8:27 AM

 

 Here something to share about Vintage HO, it is a place to find some. Ralph Maurer, Alis the train guy is having his summer train show at Hamburg PA this Sunday 7-28-19. For me it’s a 2 hour trip but that has never been disappointing. I always find something neat. This show has lots of vintage HO offered as much or more than any other gauge. My hopes are up as usual for certain trains, Who knows what I’ll find.
 
link to train show list
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Posted by toptrain on Thursday, August 1, 2019 2:41 PM

At the Hamburg trainshow last Sunday I found and aquired a Hobbyline train set. It is named "The Ridgerunner". It is set number 446. A PRR freight pulled by a Brunswick Green Alco FA1. Also 10 other HObbyline freight cars. Eight in their boxes.

Hobbyline set "The Ridgerunner" #446

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Posted by toptrain on Thursday, August 1, 2019 2:44 PM

Here's the set; #446 "The Ridgerunner" 1955. The box this set comes in is not the newer style one which was used for some 1955 sets. This style box is the same as sets issued starting in 1953. 

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Posted by toptrain on Saturday, August 3, 2019 7:01 AM
   Once I had gotten the Erie set in green and gray paint ( I posted photos 7-7-2019, 10:04 AM) I thought that in this clearstory roof or Heavyweight style car there were only 4 different paint schemes on these cars, PRR Tuscan red, UP yellow, LV red, and Eire green and gray. Well there is another Erie Green Gray and black a second Erie paint scheme making it not 4 but 5 different Heavyweight passenger sets.
Edit 10-27-19 I have recently found out that there is another HObbyline train set using the aforementioned cars in another color paint scheme. It is the B&O Royal Blue set #462 which now makes 6 different heavyweight paint schemes. I am not certain about this set as to color but one person who told me about it calls it a Dark blue set. Another said it was blue and gray. Whenever I can get a photo of it, it will be posted here. It also is an un-cataloged set seeming to be a 1955 release. Until some info is found on this set being listed in an advertisement in a Model Railroad magazine or original HObbyline sales flyers or a lost catalog no date can be positively correct. HObbyline Green Gray and black passenger cars
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Posted by toptrain on Thursday, August 15, 2019 4:49 AM
Dan I am familiar with the 44 ton center-cab diesels you are using. I have two but only one is powered. I haven’t painted them yet for any railroad. It would be nice to see yours in a photo. frank
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Posted by Eilif on Thursday, August 15, 2019 7:27 AM

50's and 60's is not my era.  I settled into 80's-00's and actually got rid of a fair amount of stuff from from that era.  However I've got some items from that era  that I like and will be holding on to.  A couple old Metal boxcars, some flats, etc. that will find use into the early 80's on my little short line.  

I'm also halfway through building a Silver Streak EJ&E wood sided boxcar kit that I'm putting together just for the experience (never built a wood kit before) and because I like EJ&E.

This week, on a whim, I picked up a Revel 1958-59 HO Trains catalog at a resale shop.  It was a hoot to read through their late 50's HO offerings in full color and it actually contained one car that I have.

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Posted by toptrain on Saturday, August 24, 2019 8:53 AM

I am sorry that I didn't get the photos done till now I had to much fun running these old trains.

Here are the first two large passenger set made by HObbyline.

Today I am running two old HObbyline passenger sets.#451 The Erie, Lake Cities Express and # 456 the PRR Trail Blazer. 

 

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Posted by toptrain on Tuesday, September 10, 2019 7:47 AM

At the top a recient photo of the ERIE's Lake Cities Express. Below that is the Pennsylvania RR Trail Blazer also by HObbyline. This photo was taken on my old layout which I had to take down.

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Posted by toptrain on Friday, September 13, 2019 1:18 PM

 

Above is the Califorina Zephyr as shown in the 1955 HObbyline catalog. Ths second of the 4 passenger car set. For me a hard one to get. I am thinking that when things get a little less busy I.ll repaint and letter Penn line or varney cars to make the set till if luckey I can find it. Micro-Scale still makes a decal set I can use.

 

 

 

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Posted by toptrain on Wednesday, September 18, 2019 6:19 AM

 Years ago in the Early 1980's I kitbashed a HOTCO, new one, 0-4-0 camelback into a 0-6-0C using a mantua drive. The tender is a kitbasher Mantua switcher tender which is shortned and a height extension added to coal bin.

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Posted by Erie1951 on Wednesday, September 18, 2019 7:52 AM

You know, Frank, there's something about Camelback locos that's always appealed to me. Thumbs Up

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Modeling the early '50s Erie in Paterson, NJ.  Here's the link to my railroad postcard collection: https://railroadpostcards.blogspot.com/

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Posted by Midwest Northern R.R on Wednesday, September 18, 2019 8:21 AM

I've always thought that vintage trains were easier to operate, and maintain. Some of my personal favorites in my roster are,

  • Bachmann UP SD-45
  • Lima Models Pennsylvania 0-4-0
  • Athearn ATSF GP-35 #1347
  • Athearn GN S-12 #25
  • Lionel Lines Scout 2-4-0 #1130 (Another Forum on this loco-Classic Model Trains)

These locos I would suppose are some of the easiest to maintain, which makes me into vintage model trains. No pics available, due to a technical difficulty (it's not not knowing how)

 

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Posted by toptrain on Friday, September 20, 2019 7:53 AM

Russ

 speaking of camelbacks, Well your namesake the Erie had a bunch of them. 

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Posted by Erie1951 on Friday, September 20, 2019 12:13 PM

toptrain

Russ

Well you namesake the Erie had a bunch of them. 

frank

 

As did the DL&W and, IIRC, the NYO&W and CNJ, too.

Russ

Modeling the early '50s Erie in Paterson, NJ.  Here's the link to my railroad postcard collection: https://railroadpostcards.blogspot.com/

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Posted by toptrain on Tuesday, October 8, 2019 11:08 AM

Mantua in the 1940's and 50's made a line of HO scale locomotived made of cast metal and brass. They made 3 or 4 little 0-4-0t and 0-6-0t tankers. next largest would have been their small switchers of which the one I liked was the 0-4-0C camelback. A 4-4-0 named Bell of the Eighties, a 2-6-0 called the Mogul, a 4-4-2 Reading Atlantic P7 class. next would be a 2-8-0 Reading I class. The next a 4-6-2 Pacific said to be a Reading prototype again but I will say it was CRR of NJ, Baldwin Pacific. This is the model I chose to show today. 

The Baldwin built 4-6-2 pacific.

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Posted by toptrain on Saturday, October 19, 2019 6:50 PM

Here is my other old mantua pacific as CNJ 822. I used a all metal tender made for the latter all metal Mantua 4-6-2 and 2-8-2 types.Old mantua pacific

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Posted by toptrain on Saturday, October 19, 2019 7:00 PM

Here is another one of my old kitbashes a B&O Hayes 10 wheeler.

frankB&O Hayes 10 wheeler

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Posted by toptrain on Saturday, October 19, 2019 7:37 PM

I have a lot of HO locomotives but I do suspect that this 0-4-0t saddle tank and another I have, another 0-4-0t saddle tank are the most valuable locomotives I have. They were both made in Japan by the New One Model Toy Works, some searching came up with this address.  

#315 KOEMON-CHO ADACHI-KU, TOKYO JAPAN.

 In 15 years of trying to find out who distributed these two tankers, I found out nothing about of who marketed them. 

New One produced models in kit form and ready to run that were imported by Nat Polk of Polks Hobbies, Ho train Company, IMP, International Model Products. Another company was Silvine, who sold sectional track, switches, power supplies, and other HO products. The locmotive; New One made for Silvine was a 0-4-0t side tank Teakettle, B&O #25.

Does anyone know anything about the locomotive below. 

It is B&O 0-4-0t saddle tank #62. 

 

B&O #62 0-4-0t saddle tank.

 

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Posted by toptrain on Saturday, October 19, 2019 7:44 PM

Here is the second of my mistery HO locomotives.

New Haven 0-4-0t saddle tank loco #60.

New Haven 0-4-0t saddle tank loco. #60

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Posted by rrinker on Saturday, October 19, 2019 7:54 PM

 The cab, frame, and cylinders of the New Haven #60 look exactly like the super piece of junk sold by Life Like, they just called it the Tea Kettle. But it had a square tank, not a round one. Even the colors of that model are the same, including the background of the number decal.

 I don't think the one I had even made a full hour of run time before it died. 

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Posted by toptrain on Sunday, October 20, 2019 5:47 AM

Randy, The square tank is called a side tank, the round tank is a saddle tank. You could not be more correct when speaking of the plastic Life Like Teakettle. The little reduction gear would fail and lose teeth and Life Like just kept on making them by the thousands, because they sold and were cheep, and parents thought them cute, and they were that, just not relieable. Now the one's you see in my photos do not use that speed reduction drive, but do share the original drive from the Silvine teakettle. the original all metal Teakettle B&O saddle tanker #25. This one just keeps on going. 

Here is a photo of 60 year old all metal Teaketle that is just fine.

Silvine B&O 0-4-0t saddle tenker #25

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Posted by toptrain on Thursday, October 31, 2019 9:42 AM

Here are two Vintage HO fright trains running made up of old vintage cars. Maybe you will recognize some.

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Thursday, October 31, 2019 1:39 PM

toptrain
fright trains

Fright train?

Sorry, but it´s Halloween, so I could not resist!

Happy times!

Ulrich (aka The Tin Man)

"You´re never too old for a happy childhood!"

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