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Shinohara Double Crossover Stalls

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Shinohara Double Crossover Stalls
Posted by Docjmp on Sunday, October 30, 2016 6:52 PM

Hi everyone,

I recently installed a new DCC friendly Shinohara double crossover, but am having problems with engines stalling as they pass through thr crossover. The biggest problem one is my switcher and I suspect it's because of the short wheel base. However, I also have a Hex Frog Juicer and want to know if I can use it to power the frogs and if it will help eliminate the stalls. I noticed that on the bottom of the double crossover, there are several metsl points that are connecting rails. Is there a specific point I would solder to from the juicer?

I am also having the same problem on a few of my turnouts. They are Atlas Snaptrack pieces that have been removed from the plastic bases. They have the plastic frog. Where do I power the frog on the turnout with the juicer?

Thanks.

Jim

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Posted by BigDaddy on Sunday, October 30, 2016 7:12 PM

Hard to power a plastic frog snap switch.  The snaptrack has a different geometry than the other Atlas turnouts, so replacement is not an easy solution for that. 

The diagram 1/2 way down the page http://wiringfordcc.com/switches.htm#how2wire

may help with your double crossover.  A keep alive might be your best solution.  However the experts will be along shortly, to opine so don't give up hope based on my beginner knowledge.

 

Henry

COB Potomac & Northern

Shenandoah Valley

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Posted by SouthPenn on Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:18 PM

Are you throwing all four switches at the same time? Thats how I use my double crossovers and it work pretty good. One problem I have had, and still do, is the point rails don't make good contact with stock rails. This causes engines to stall in the crossover. Haven't found a good solution yet.

A warning. I tried to 'fix' a double crossover by following the diagram and instructions on a web site, and trashed a perfically good double crossover. Proceed with caution.

South Penn
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Posted by Medina1128 on Monday, October 31, 2016 10:53 AM

SouthPenn

Are you throwing all four switches at the same time? Thats how I use my double crossovers and it work pretty good. One problem I have had, and still do, is the point rails don't make good contact with stock rails. This causes engines to stall in the crossover. Haven't found a good solution yet.

A warning. I tried to 'fix' a double crossover by following the diagram and instructions on a web site, and trashed a perfically good double crossover. Proceed with caution.

 

There are small brass contacts attached to the point rails. I wasn't very careful masking the points and stock rails when I painted mine. After a LOT of work, I was able to clean both, now I have NO problems, even with my SW switching locomotives. Pretty much any locomotive that doesn't have all wheel electrical pickup from the wheels will stall on long turnouts. 

 

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