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The Streetcar Is Dead - Long Live The Streetcar

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Posted by Carnegie Falls on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 12:47 PM

I really like streetcars on layouts.  One of the benefits is the tight turn radius you can take advantage of and fit them in tight places.  I like my PCC Pittsburgh streetcar.  With such a small layout, it helps add variety and interest.

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Posted by MalcyMalc on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:22 PM

Sir Madog

I am surprised to see that US cities seem to favor INEKON streetcars. INEKON is the successor of CKD Tatra in Prague/Czech Republic. Tatra used to be the sole supplier of streetcars based on the PCC-design to all of the Eastern Block countries, including the Soviet Union. Those were simple, but rugged cars.

 
"Simple but rugged" sounds ideal for urban transport to me - the alternative seems to be "state of the art, look at all these bells and whistles" but is high maintenance. When you only have a limited number of cars in service low maintenance and reliable sounds like a much better combination. "State of the art" has always been over-rated somewhat in my opinion (but then I'm firmly rooted in the 20th Century).
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:32 PM

The INEKON streetcars are most certainly 21st century state of the art, but also cheaper than those Siemens or Bombardier streetcars.

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Posted by Eric White on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 2:13 PM

In the Philadelphia area, they used machines like this:

http://pa-trolley.org/collection/philadelphia-suburban-transportation-company-snow-sweeper-4/

to clear the tracks.

 

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 2:15 PM

My own Moose Bay Transit Authority runs a pair of streetcars.  This is an older Bowser model, all metal.

This one is from Bachmann.  It's a Peter Witt model.

My inspiration was the streetcars of Boston.  They also run underground, hence their inclusion in my subway system.  I don't run them under wire, though.

The San Francisco system is a living museum.  The streetcars (not to be confused with the cable cars) have been purchased from many other American cities which abandoned their own systems.  The cars have been lovingly restored, and each conductor knows the history of the car he's on.  The oak and mahogany panels and old-fashioned seats are a far cry from the steel and plastic of modern systems.  It's a working streetcar line that commuters use every day, but at the same time it's part of history.

It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse. 

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Posted by tstage on Tuesday, February 23, 2016 8:17 PM

gmpullman

So... when I found one of these Bowser PCC gems at a closeout price I just had to have one.

Ed,

I picked up a non-sound version of one of these jewels (Shaker, of course) and installed a TCS Mx decoder into it.  LOVE the brakelight feature!

Bowser did a really GREAT job with these PCCs.  I may have to consider either adding a trolley to my next layout...or...making a separate trolley layout altogether.

Tom

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 24, 2016 12:30 AM

Just found a video of an HO scale model of the INEKON Washington/DC streetcar!

The model is made by M & L Modely tramvaji and is available as either a kit or RTR, but not cheap! With a different paint job, it can easily be transformed into the Seattle or Portland version.

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Posted by gmpullman on Wednesday, February 24, 2016 12:45 AM

It IS a great model, Tom. There were times when leaving Shaker Square headed for Kingsbury Run that I thought we were doing a cool 60 MPH on that long grade Cool

It's a bit of a pity the motor couldn't have been hidden a little better, or maybe the side window glass tinted just a bit. But the car runs just fine and the pickup is great. There's hardly any hesitation even on some unpowered frogs.

I have the OEM Tsunami in it. I see the newer ones have Loksound Yes I wish they included a horn, though. I recall a fairly loud honker used on occasion for those stubborn motorists.

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Posted by Carnegie Falls on Wednesday, February 24, 2016 10:53 AM

I guess NPR is following this thread. I heard this story on the way home yesterday.

http://www.npr.org/2016/02/23/467813006/revived-streetcars-may-be-on-track-for-disappointment

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Posted by jsanchez on Wednesday, February 24, 2016 11:36 AM

Sir Madog

The INEKON streetcars are most certainly 21st century state of the art, but also cheaper than those Siemens or Bombardier streetcars.

 

Brookville Equipment company in Pennsylvania is a major player in the new and heritage streetcar business. They have supplied new cars for Dallas, Texas and Detroit will be using Brookville cars on their new Woodward Ave. line. I'm hoping they will get the Septa Philladelphia order for new Trolleys that is coming up. They also have refurbished PCC's for Philly and San Francisco. They are currently working on the El Paso, Texas PCC restoration project.

Here is a link to their Streetcar division site,

http://www.brookvillecorp.com/streetcar-division.asp

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 1, 2016 10:13 AM

Look at this!

Anyone for burned fingers, soldering all those wires?

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Tuesday, March 1, 2016 4:38 PM

I operate these Bachmann streetcars on my layout. I still do not have the overhead wires installed. The main reason for the long delay is I work on other parts of the layout when I have time for such stuff. Also, I'm concerned the wires with poles ould be in my way when I clean the rails. 

GARRY

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:10 PM

Carnegie Falls

I guess NPR is following this thread. I heard this story on the way home yesterday.

http://www.npr.org/2016/02/23/467813006/revived-streetcars-may-be-on-track-for-disappointment

 

One of the strong points of the "light rail" system in Baltimore is that most of the line is on its own right of way, with limited sections actually in the street with the cars.

I have always thought that a street grid laid out with separate right of way for "trolleys" would work great. Cross street traffic signals could be coordinated with train movements, with only major streets crossing the right of way.

But I do think that trolleys that are fully "in the street" are not the best idea for modern cities - at least not in the USA where too many people MUST take their car into the city because no mass transit connects their suburban neighborhoods with the city.

Sheldon 

    

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Posted by Jetrock on Tuesday, March 1, 2016 8:09 PM

Traction modeling has always been a niche but was once a more common part of the hobby--if you read 1940s-60s issues of MR there are frequent articles and advertisements for streetcar and interurban equipment. I model Sacramento Northern, a mixture of diesel and electric, mostly freight but with occasional "fan trip" passenger runs. Interurbans were bigger than streetcars and ran longer runs (kind of like "light rail" in size and speed) and often functioned like small steam railroads.

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