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Gripping screwdrivers for miniture screws.
Posted by Moses45 on Thursday, November 21, 2013 3:56 PM

I am assembling a Bowser kit and replacing the cheap couplers with better ones. The problem is I cant grip and drive tiny screws. Has anyone had any experience with the so called slot gripping screwdrivers?

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Posted by BRAKIE on Thursday, November 21, 2013 4:03 PM

I had the same problem until a modeling friend of mine gave a three prong gripper..Works like a charm with those tiny screws.

I can even start those small screws with that tool.

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Posted by Moses45 on Thursday, November 21, 2013 4:29 PM

Trouble is all of the gripping screwdrivers I find online are too big for tiny screws.

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Posted by zstripe on Thursday, November 21, 2013 5:21 PM

Moses45

Trouble is all of the gripping screwdrivers I find online are too big for tiny screws.

 

 

 

 

Moses45,

I guess, you did not check out this site,that I posted on your other thread, they have all kinds of tools like you would be looking for.

http://www.micromark.com/emailrequest.aspx

Brouse, the tools,you don't have to join anything.

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Posted by mlehman on Thursday, November 21, 2013 5:28 PM

Laryy,

Do you know where your friend got the little gripper?

 

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Posted by BRAKIE on Thursday, November 21, 2013 5:47 PM

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Laryy,

Do you know where your friend got the little gripper?

 

True Value I think but,you can order them from Walthers.I call it a gripper but,its actually a three prong holder.

Walthers Part # 230-203, p. 882 Walthers 2014 HO Scale Reference
A scale, $6.95.

Its a very handy tool to have.

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Posted by Moses45 on Thursday, November 21, 2013 5:49 PM
I already looked at Micro Mark. Screwdriver is 12 dollars and change. By the time you add shipping you are at $20 for a small screwdriver. I always avoid Micro Mark unless they have something I cant get anywhere else. I found a better screwdriver for $8 plus shipping elsewhere. It is call a Quick Wedge screwdriver.
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Posted by HO-Velo on Thursday, November 21, 2013 7:17 PM

I like these, they work good. www.hjjcoinc.com

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Posted by charlie9 on Thursday, November 21, 2013 7:20 PM

Ear wax.

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Posted by gregc on Thursday, November 21, 2013 7:42 PM

charlie9
Ear wax.

stick glue

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Posted by BRAKIE on Thursday, November 21, 2013 8:41 PM

gregc
 
charlie9
Ear wax.

 

stick glue

 

I've use chewing gum..Work like a charm.

 

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Posted by kbkchooch on Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:40 PM

3M strip caulk (From an auto parts jobber like Napa, dont bother looking at part hucksters like Advance)

Black tacky type strips in a box, will hold screws, stop light leaks inside cabs, stops rattles, lots of uses. 1 box ought to be a lifetime supply for you and your buddies.Cool The possibilities are endless!! Smile, Wink & Grin

Not as gross as ear wax, wont get hard with age like putties and gum, harder to misplace than any tool. I pull 2 strips out at a time, ball it up and I stick mine to the side of my workbench. 2 strips last me a few years before I have to dig the box out of the garage. (I use it there too!)  Big Smile 

Found some on ebay, 5 bucks than Wally World (I'm amazed wally world carries it Surprise)

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Posted by hon30critter on Friday, November 22, 2013 12:54 AM

I have a two part solution that works in most cases:

First: Toss the slot screws in the garbage and get some Phillips head (cross head) screws with the same thread, not stainless steel.

Second: Stick a small magnet on the shaft of your screwdriver close to the handle.

The screw will stick quite nicely on the end of the screwdriver without the need to use any condensed bodily fluids, black sticky stuff (although I can see a ton of other uses for that stuff - thanks for the lead Karl) or otherwise. It will stay straight enough to start it in the socket threads.

Using the same technique for slot screws doesn't work because the screw will flip sideways every time.

Actually we here in Canada don't suffer the annoyances of trying to keep your slot screwdriver blade centered in a screw slot because we don't use slot screws. (How many times can you say 'slot' in the same sentence?).

My favourite Canadian screw is the 'Robertson' square head. It sticks on the end of a screwdriver just fine. No slipping unless your screw socket or your screwdriver is worn out. You US guys need to get with the times!Smile, Wink & Grin Just kidding! If your hands are steady enough to consistently drive slot screws then you have my admiration! Me - every slot screw I come across goes in the garbage. Unfortunately you can't get Robertson screws small enough for rolling stock.

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Posted by zstripe on Friday, November 22, 2013 1:14 AM

Dave,

I totally agree with you, about the slot screws. Smile

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Friday, November 22, 2013 1:17 AM

I too like the Robertson squarehead, but they are hard to get in the USA.

I have successfully used tweezers to hold the screw in place while getting the screw started with the screwdriver.

Good luck

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Posted by BRAKIE on Friday, November 22, 2013 5:18 AM

hon30critter

I have a two part solution that works in most cases:

First: Toss the slot screws in the garbage and get some Phillips head (cross head) screws with the same thread, not stainless steel.

Second: Stick a small magnet on the shaft of your screwdriver close to the handle.

The screw will stick quite nicely on the end of the screwdriver without the need to use any condensed bodily fluids, black sticky stuff (although I can see a ton of other uses for that stuff - thanks for the lead Karl) or otherwise. It will stay straight enough to start it in the socket threads.

Using the same technique for slot screws doesn't work because the screw will flip sideways every time.

Actually we here in Canada don't suffer the annoyances of trying to keep your slot screwdriver blade centered in a screw slot because we don't use slot screws. (How many times can you say 'slot' in the same sentence?).

My favourite Canadian screw is the 'Robertson' square head. It sticks on the end of a screwdriver just fine. No slipping unless your screw socket or your screwdriver is worn out. You US guys need to get with the times!Smile, Wink & Grin Just kidding! If your hands are steady enough to consistently drive slot screws then you have my admiration! Me - every slot screw I come across goes in the garbage. Unfortunately you can't get Robertson screws small enough for rolling stock.

Dave

 
Dave,All that over a tiny screw when a $6.95 holder will eliminate all that?
 
Tossing perfectly good screws into the trash and buying new screws isn't my idea of fixing a simple problem.
 
Don't mean to be a grumpy and mean old man but,I fail to see the logic behind your solution or did I miss something?
 
BTW..I use a rachet type screwdriver and the blade never slides off the screw head.

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Posted by mobilman44 on Friday, November 22, 2013 6:10 AM

Hi, 

This is an easy fix, but needs a light touch to do it right........  

LIGHTLY touch the end of the driver to a dab of paint (I use clearcote) and then put the screw on the end.   It only takes a minute amount for the smallest of screws, and you don't want to overdo it by any means.

 

ENJOY  !

 

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Posted by don7 on Friday, November 22, 2013 8:34 PM

Go to your local stationary store. The Staedtler/Mars mechanical pencil for the 2.0mm leads is ideal.

The jaw is composed of three prongs that are spring loaded and will hold the smallest of screws/bolts tight.

http://www.jerrysartarama.com/images/products/drafting/00v02540000000-st-01-holder.jpg

I had a micromart gripper, but only use the Staedtler pencil, it works great. They are getting a bit expensive though.

but they do the job like nothing else I have seen on the market. The pressure of the jaws is the secret.

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Posted by hon30critter on Friday, November 22, 2013 9:30 PM

Larry, to be honest I don't come across very many slot screws. Most of the rolling stock I have purchased already had Philips screws so not that many slot screws have been sacrified.

I have a gripper but I don't ever seem to need to use it. With the magnet on the screwdriver shaft the Philips screw practically puts itself on the end of the screwdriver (well, not quite but close). I don't have to take the time to line the screw up in the prongs of a gripper which I personally find to be an unneccessary middle step. Besides, I get a perverse pleasure from tossing something that I consider to be an outdated and ineffecient design (no offense intended).My 2 Cents

My father would cringe too if he knew that I was throwing out "perfectly good screws", but then again he used to spend hours straightening out used nails.Laugh

Now, if we really had our all acts together we would be using Torx head screws for everything (Torx screws are the six pointed thingies that are often used in automobile applications in case some of you didn't recognise the name). The screws stay firmly stuck on the screwdriver, the screwdriver tips last a very long time (one of the weaker points about Robertsons is that they have a somewhat limited tip life) and the screws are very difficult to strip (another weak point of the Robertson design). Too bad they have not had a wider application.

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Posted by don7 on Saturday, November 23, 2013 1:37 AM

The original post was talking about those bothersome tiny screws, such as used for coupler pockets.

There is no way you are going to find screws/bolts that small with Robertson heads or even Phillips heads.

These tiny small screws are usually either slotted or hex headed.

That is why a gripper type utensil is required. With a strong springed gripper you can start the screw/bolt to the threads, then use the small optical type screwdriver or the small socket head driver to finish tightening the screww/bolt.

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Posted by hon30critter on Saturday, November 23, 2013 1:58 AM

Hi Don:

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you about the availability of Philips head screws small enough for mounting couplers. I have a ton of them of various sizes down to #0-80 x 1/8". They are readily available here in Canada and they are priced the same as slot head screws of similar size.

Here is one Canadian source. He attends most of the train show/sales in southern Ontario and has a huge selection of hobby tools and supplies:

http://www.hobby-worx.com/

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Posted by zstripe on Saturday, November 23, 2013 2:59 AM

I agree with, DAVE, we also have Phillips head miniature head screws,here in the US, almost all Electronics,have them. On some precision, applications, Electrical and Mechanical,have security Torx screws, those are the Torx screw heads,with a center pin,that can only be removed, if you have the tool, Thank God, which I have. Smile

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Posted by BRAKIE on Saturday, November 23, 2013 4:25 AM

As far as Phillips head screws some of Athearn's RTR cars use them and they still require a gripper (three prong holder) to start..Also all of my newer LL P2K Geeps use them.

Some  N Scale cars and locomotives also has Phillips head screws.

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Posted by kbkchooch on Saturday, November 23, 2013 8:09 AM

zstripe

 On some precision, applications, Electrical and Mechanical,have security Torx screws, those are the Torx screw heads,with a center pin,that can only be removed, if you have the tool, Thank God, which I have. Smile

Cheers, Drinks

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Those Torx head screws have been around a while. I recently had to replace the ignition switch in my 88 Ford truck, and it was held in place with those security screws. So at least they have been around 25 years, if not longer! And I too, feel blessed I bought the tools years ago!

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Saturday, November 23, 2013 8:21 AM

As for there not being a phllips head screw small enough to be used on a coupler box cover, Bachmann used tons of them back in the 80's and 90' to hold the coupler box covers on their horn hook equipped freight cars. You almost needed a magnifying glass to see the head of the screw.

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Saturday, November 23, 2013 10:03 AM

Gripping Screwdrivers?

I usually grip the screwdrive between my thumb and forefinger. Just kind of roll the driver to turn the screw.

For holding a screw to the screw driver: I despise magnetic tools, They do not let go when you want. Since you are working at your work bench, and an open jar of soldering flux is right there, stick the tip of the screwdriver in that, and it will hold the screw.

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Posted by richg1998 on Saturday, November 23, 2013 1:02 PM

I have found the five prong gripper works better than the three prong gripper.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Saturday, November 23, 2013 1:11 PM

richg1998

I have found the five prong gripper works better than the three prong gripper.

Rich

While I have no issues using the three prong I often wondered if the five  prong would be a tad better.

 

 

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Posted by richg1998 on Saturday, November 23, 2013 1:24 PM

I found better results with the five prong. Had troubles with say, 00-90 and 0-80 screws using the three prong.

 

If you are careful, you can some times start the screw into the hole with the gripper. At least a thread or sometimes two.

 

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Posted by zstripe on Saturday, November 23, 2013 2:23 PM

kbkchooch

 

 
zstripe

 On some precision, applications, Electrical and Mechanical,have security Torx screws, those are the Torx screw heads,with a center pin,that can only be removed, if you have the tool, Thank God, which I have. Smile

Cheers, Drinks

Frank

 

 

 

Those Torx head screws have been around a while. I recently had to replace the ignition switch in my 88 Ford truck, and it was held in place with those security screws. So at least they have been around 25 years, if not longer! And I too, feel blessed I bought the tools years ago!

 

Karl,

Yes, they have been out for awhile. I bought a used, Ford Crown Vic, Secretary of State Police interceptor, That had a Variable Ventura carburator, on it, nothing but security Torx on it. What a nightmare, that carb was to rebuild. That car was a trip, plain looking four door, light blue, big tires, when you sat inside and started it up, your eyes would lite up, extra gauges, on the lower dash, 140 MPH speedometer, 5-speed overdrive trans, what a sleeper! Sorry! got carried away.Big Smile

Cheers, Drinks

Frank

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