I wanted to get some advice from some folks around here before I started. I've decided to set the time frame for my RR in the winter. (Montana area, present day)
Is there anything specific I should know about modeling the winter? Tips etc.?
Thanks!
Acela
The timbers beneath the rails are not the only ties that bind on the railroad. --Robert S. McGonigal
--Make sure your water is frozen.
--There should be a lot of white in your color pallet.
--Your Loco's should have plows.
-- Make sure the Pot Bellied Stoves in the cabeese are fired up and have lots of fire wood on hand.
--Your Section Gangs should have new brooms and shovels.
--If you have a first class operation you might issue new lined gloves to your employees.and put away a few dollars for some nice Turkeys for the staff for Christmas.
---Ho Ho Ho.
Johnboy out.........................................must write a letter to Santa.
from Saskatchewan, in the Great White North..
We have met the enemy, and he is us............ (Pogo)
Since your scenery will be very white, and since Montana isn't a place where the snow quickly crusts over with airborne grime, make your scenery vacuum-cleaner-proof and expect to have to suck the dust off frequently.
You might also use the search function to find ideas for modeling snow. Plain white paint or plain white plaster doesn't sparkle the way new-fallen powder does.
Since my own modeling is set in late summer/early fall, snow isn't in my scenic plans. The snowplow sits on a spur where it will be available when I need it (mostly for plowing construction debris off the rails...)
Chuck (Modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)
Rand Hood had an excellent article in MR about modeling winter scenes. You can see it here...
http://tinyurl.com/axd2a64
Steve S
Winter would mean bare naked tress.
Here are amitrues only if interested:
http://www.wholesaletrains.com/Detail.asp?ID=20014327
Winter would mean plenty of snow and white would be your palette.
Woodland Scenics makes "snow" if you haven't found it yet:
http://www.wholesaletrains.com/Detail.asp?ID=20010854
Dollar stores often have "pine tress" with "snow" on the branch ends for a dollar a 4-6 pack this time of year...but hurry in as they sell out fast. If you can't find the snow version, you can add snow to the regular Pine trees.
WS makes some:
http://www.wholesaletrains.com/Detail.asp?ID=200851958
Here's WS own site with about 1 or 2 pages of snow stuff and how-to-scenery making for winter:
http://woodlandscenics.woodlandscenics.com/show/page/searchResults?cx=007918959149067016884%3Aqoqceszsb7y&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&q=snow&sa=
Ice skaters:
http://woodlandscenics.woodlandscenics.com/show/item/a1899
http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/woo/wooa1899.htm
http://www.amazon.com/Figure-Skaters-Single-HO-Preiser/dp/B000KSLKQA
Heres a tube vid of making a snow scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owu3LujWAIw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k_iqAc4Bfc
Snow boarders: {depending on your era}:
http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/bus/bus6004.htm
whole bunches of winter scenoc materials and figures:
http://www.hobbylinc.com/cgi-bin/s7.cgi?cat_s=UJC&str=winter
http://www.rocousa.com/preiser.asp
Just think of what is "there" , "not there" or how things "change" for winter, and do some google-ing and you will find some stuff you need to make a great scale layout of winter scenes!
As suggested, be SURE you can vacuum your layout as it WILL get "dirty".
HAVE FUN!
-G .
Just my thoughts, ideas, opinions and experiences. Others may vary.
HO and N Scale.
After long and careful thought, they have convinced me. I have come to the conclusion that they are right. The aliens did it.
Modeling a convincing winter scene on a layout is an ambitious project and requires a lot more thought and work than just a generous dusting with one of those commercially available "snow" products.
You need to cover everything with a layer of snow, even the ties and the ballast. Snow tends to soften the contour of the scenery and snow drifts pile up. Vehicles and people leave tracks in fresh snow.
The best method I have seen is to cover everything with a layer of a mix of plaster and PVA (makes it a little less brittle) and paint it with a white latex paint, to which some glitter is added. Before tackling an entire layout, I´d suggest to try your hand at a little diorama.
Look at this nice little tutorial:
watch?v=yWKuKOd7Npw
Hi!
Most important.......... stay away from using real snow!
ENJOY !
Mobilman44
Living in southeast Texas, formerly modeling the "postwar" Santa Fe and Illinois Central
This is the photo gallery of our own mikelh:
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/6348
His layout is set in winter in New England. He captures the season perfectly, with ice and a bit of snow, but not the white blanket seen in greeting cards. I can't think of a better example of winter modeling than this.
It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse.
last mountain & eastern hogger --Make sure your water is frozen. --There should be a lot of white in your color pallet. --Your Loco's should have plows. -- Make sure the Pot Bellied Stoves in the cabeese are fired up and have lots of fire wood on hand. --Your Section Gangs should have new brooms and shovels. --If you have a first class operation you might issue new lined gloves to your employees.and put away a few dollars for some nice Turkeys for the staff for Christmas. ---Ho Ho Ho. Johnboy out.........................................must write a letter to Santa.
Do not forget a FLANGER eh? also geographicaly speaking Saskatchewan would be located in the GREAT WHITE SOUTH Montana is located in the Great White North.
Mr B that was very kind of you. Thank you!
For me the toughest thing about modelling winter is the bare trees. It's a real challenge to get that fine twiggy look and I still haven't got it as I'd like. Wire armatures are a decent start but I add other materials such as sisal rope fibres and coconut fibres. I also pull up weeds in the garden and use the roots. Everything gets a good coat of paint to help preserve it.
For ice I added a hint of white acrylic to two part resin, just to make it less transparent, and when dry I very thinly painted some greyish white acrylic with gloss gel medium over the top.
For snow I've used Woodland Scenics Flake and I find Heki Glitter Snow sprinkled sparingly over the top gives a nice sparkle. You can just see some sparkle in the bottom right corner of this shot The WS snow is pretty hard to glue down, and it goes dull and dusty before too long. Currently I'm experimenting with making my own snow using artists texture paste mixed with white and a dash of blue. It works ok, but I find it looks better if I add WS and Heki snow over the top, pressing them gently into the wet mix: Mike
For snow I've used Woodland Scenics Flake and I find Heki Glitter Snow sprinkled sparingly over the top gives a nice sparkle. You can just see some sparkle in the bottom right corner of this shot
The WS snow is pretty hard to glue down, and it goes dull and dusty before too long.
Currently I'm experimenting with making my own snow using artists texture paste mixed with white and a dash of blue. It works ok, but I find it looks better if I add WS and Heki snow over the top, pressing them gently into the wet mix:
Mike
Modelling the UK in 00, and New England - MEC, B&M, D&H and Guilford - in H0
"The best method I have seen is to cover everything with a layer of a mix of plaster and PVA (makes it a little less brittle) and paint it with a white latex paint, to which some glitter is added. Before tackling an entire layout, I´d suggest to try your hand at a little diorama."
Ulrich, What is PVA? Not a term/material I am familar with here in the US.
Sheldon
White glue - Elmer's in the US, I think.
ATLANTIC CENTRAL "The best method I have seen is to cover everything with a layer of a mix of plaster and PVA (makes it a little less brittle) and paint it with a white latex paint, to which some glitter is added. Before tackling an entire layout, I´d suggest to try your hand at a little diorama." Ulrich, What is PVA? Not a term/material I am familar with here in the US. Sheldon
Sorry Sheldon, PVA is a British term. It´s just ordinary white glue.
I was at Lowes this afternoon and saw a Valspar display. For what it's worth which may be nothing Valspar has products for Christmas decorating which are safe on plastic as well as just about everthing else. One is called frosting and the other snow.
Bob
Don't Ever Give Up