Hi all,
I'm not a hardcore model railroader, just the holiday kind and I have a quick question...
I just bought an EZ Track Expander Kit (Bachmann) and it indicated on the box that the product contains a chemical known to the state of California to cause cancer, birth defects, etc. I'm just wondering what that may be and if its risky to use this product around young ones.
I would guess not or this product wouldn't even be on the market. I just found the warning odd, but maybe its on a lot of packaging for various products. Maybe I'm just not paying attention.
Thanks for any info.!
Boilerplate legal text, due to poorly written law in California (IMO - for a more positive view on this, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_65_(1986))
A lot of substances have negative health impacts, if ingested or inhaled in significant amounts.
Unfortunately, the legal requirement in California is not to state whether the product contains large enough amounts of a substance to be a significant health risk during normal handling and disposal - it is to list whether the product contains a substance that is on the list.
Try not to eat large amounts of eZTrack, and avoid putting in on a bonfire while you are standing with your head over the bonfire inhaling the smoke for quite a while, and you should be fine :-)
Smile, Stein
steinjr Try not to eat large amounts of eZTrack, and avoid putting in on a bonfire while you are standing with your head over the bonfire inhaling the smoke for quite a while, and you should be fine :-) Smile, Stein
It looks like I will need to change my diet.
"No soup for you!" - Yev Kassem (from Seinfeld)
EVERYTHING in the State of California is known to cause cancer and birth defects and such.
If Hypoperidexnoxanehydrogenousacidicfleerepellent was used to make the product, and it is known to cause cancer or birth defects or abnormalities in persons to those in the state of california...it gets that warning!
Sorry. Just a warning.
-G .
Just my thoughts, ideas, opinions and experiences. Others may vary.
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After long and careful thought, they have convinced me. I have come to the conclusion that they are right. The aliens did it.
Virtually everything is known to cause cancer in California. I've been using EZ-Track for many years and I'm cancer free. Don't worry about it.
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jeffrey-wimberly Virtually everything is known to cause cancer in California.
Virtually everything is known to cause cancer in California.
It's those cancers called "politicians" that are really troublesome.... but, then, they are everywhere..
Marlon
See pictures of the Clinton-Golden Valley RR
It is a proven fact that being alive in the state of California can cause death.
Medina1128 jeffrey-wimberly: Virtually everything is known to cause cancer in California. It's those cancers called "politicians" that are really troublesome.... but, then, they are everywhere..
jeffrey-wimberly: Virtually everything is known to cause cancer in California.
A lot of stupid laws or things that are causing funding problems in California are direct voter initiatives. Including the law this thread brings up. Its not politicians. Its dumb regular people.
Someone explained this a while ago.
There is a list of chemicals that are considered "hazardous" in California.
That list changes regularly. So to avoid legal problems with the state of California, many companies simply put that warning sticker on everything. What is a component of that product may or may not be on the list tomorrow, so that is one way of dealing with it.
Common sense should rule here. Don't burn your track inside. Labelled or not, the fumes are hazardous.
Go right ahead and use your EZ Track. I live in California, and I've got a rather large section of EZ track around my Sierra Buttes, simply because the track is bullet-proof and there's a rather large (6 actual feet) sheer drop-off to my cement garage floor. The track has been there for ten years and I'm cancer-free, LOL!
The only thing that actually causes disease (mainly emotional) in California is the goofy, out-of-whack State Legislature, and most of them were born somewhere else and MOVED here!
Enjoy the hobby, ignore those Idiotic Warnings.
Tom
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The State of California is known to cause cancer of the brain.
That's why a few ignorant activists with agendas can get signatures on petitions to qualify really dumb, insufficiently researched propositions to the statewide ballots, where an equally ignorant electorate will rubber-stamp them yes.
And that's why I stopped my personal westward migration in Nevada.
Chuck (Modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - with things known to cause cancer in the state of California, but considered harmless everywhere else)
Those are poorly worded. It's not so much "Known to the state of California" as it is "assumed by some random people in California". The net effect of that ballot proposition is that the warnings are meaningless because everything has that warning on it, whether or not it actually has dangerous levels of dangerous chemicals in it.
Move somewhere else. While you're at it, find a place with a big basement where you can become more than just a "holiday modeler."
CAUTION: Model railroading is addictive. Those affected often report symptoms of happiness, satisfaction and contentment.
It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse.
MisterBeasley CAUTION: Model railroading is addictive. Those affected often report symptoms of happiness, satisfaction and contentment.
Mr. Beasley,
Obviously you don't spend enough time browsing the DCC forum.
I have figured out what is wrong with my brain! On the left side nothing works right, and on the right side there is nothing left!
Like many laws attempting to protect the people, it has been abused twisted in many ways. The label appears on so many items as a protection against law suits rather than as a alert to consumers that it has become meaningless. Never-the-less since products are more complex and companies here and particularly abroad take shortcuts to make a buck without regard to safety (remember the toothpaste and dog food problems a few years ago) some kind of regulation is needed. Probably, the law needs overhauled to make it more useful, but that's a difficult process with all the lobbyists we have.
Model trains like many other products have to be used with a little common sense. As others have humorously noted - don't eat the track, burn it, etc. And exercise good judgement with small children.
Paul
I resemble that remark!
That warning should be on all model railroad products accompanied by graphic pictures of people having fun and enjoying life. These should be really graphic, shocking pictures so that anyone picking up a product will have no doubt in their (or their plaintiff attorney's) minds that the result of them buying that product will be smiles and buying more locomotives than they will ever need. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go buy another SD40-2.
Emman
I would strongly recommend not mixing your ez track with Dihydric Monoxide.
Just being alive in California causes cancer. Ask anyone.
For that matter, water causes drowning, alcohol brain and liver damage, plastic bags can suffocate, 25,000 Americans die from influenza every year, and about a quarter that number die from tripping over their own two feet or some loose impediment (like that shoe you left on the stairs).
Being alive is dangerous. It inevitably causes death in all of us. So enjoy it while you can, use a little common sense, and don't let the lawyers ruin it for you.
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Eric97123 I would strongly recommend not mixing your ez track with Dihydric Monoxide.
Darn, you beat me to it.
Seriously, SAWDUST is a substance known to the State of California to cause cancer. Feh.
I used to be clueless, but i've turned that around 360 degrees.
Actually the most toxic thing in California, or the rest of the states is the political folks/government officials. They are far more hazardous to our health than anything else I know of.
Bob
Actually the most toxic and hazardous thing to your health are the political types.
VunderBob Seriously, SAWDUST is a substance known to the State of California to cause cancer. Feh.
Well, to be fair, it is not always a totally great idea to breathe in e.g. sawdust from belt sanding treated wood , or to burn leftovers of such wood in your fireplace. Some of the preservatives used (especially in the past) in treating wood for outdoor use can be bad for your health.
But maybe this thread has about run it's course now?
It keeps edging closer and closer to general political subjects, like the way some people feel about government regulations in general, politicians in general, the more or less dysfunctional way ballot initiatives works in California, and stuff along those lines. Not really very related to model railroading.
For the specific question the OP had - essentially "why is there a warning on my eZTrack?", the answer lies somewhere in the region between "it is most likely just one more of those seemingly meaningless legalistic boilerplate warnings" and "don't know - if you really want to know, ask the people who make the track".
Or does someone have specific information to share about why eZTrack is labelled that way?
MisterBeasley Move somewhere else. While you're at it, find a place with a big basement where you can become more than just a "holiday modeler." CAUTION: Model railroading is addictive. Those affected often report symptoms of happiness, satisfaction and contentment.
Be carefull Misterbeasley, You will get us banned from modelrailroading in California if they find out it is an addictive brain stimulant for happiness. Then we will have to fight for it as a therapy as they did with Pot.
Only in California you would see protesters with signs LEGALIZE MODEL RAILROADING.
Truck.
Truck Only in California you would see protesters with signs LEGALIZE MODEL RAILROADING. Truck.
Truck:
My signs already made up and ready in the garage, LOL! Where's yours?
On the flight back to NY from Honolulu Hawaii, we had to stop at LAX.
I found IT to be hazardous to my health.
Fortunately there was an immediately available earlier plane to Chicago's O'Hare that we were able to get on and fly OUT of California quickly!!
SO I suffered some. but not as much as the original 4 hour layover at LAX.
Whew!! THAT was close!
I could have died had I had to stay the whole 4 hours at LAX!!!
If California had its way, it would ban oxygen as an element known to cause cancer in California.
Rich
Alton Junction
I think the OP`s issue has been sufficiently discussed.
This is not the place to discuss Californian State laws, so we better move on!