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Narrow Gauge
Posted by Vuzzez on Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:01 PM
With narrow gauge, do you have to buy different cars and locos than with standard Gauge?
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Posted by Flynn on Saturday, July 30, 2011 7:54 PM

The short answer is yes, you would.  Make sure that you also double check what narrow gauge standard you are looking at.  Even within narrow gauge, there are differences.  HO3, HOn2, yada yada. 

See this link.

http://www.nmra.org/beginner/scale.html

 

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Posted by Vuzzez on Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:02 PM
Oh, now I understand what they ment by HOn3. Thanks
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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:07 PM

Narrow gauge cars and locomotives are generally smaller in length, width, and height.  But some of the details tend to be the same size such as ladders while others such as couplers may be smaller.  And of course the wheel sets are narrower.

Some model narrow gauges use the standard gauge of a smaller scale - On30, Sn42 both use HO gauge, HOn30 uses N, Nn3 uses Z.  And Sn2 uses a narrow gauge - HOn3.  The advantage is that more commonly available track, trucks, couplers can be used even though aren't exactly the correct.

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Posted by stebbycentral on Saturday, July 30, 2011 9:09 PM

IRONROOSTER

Narrow gauge cars and locomotives are generally smaller in length, width, and height.  But some of the details tend to be the same size such as ladders while others such as couplers may be smaller.  And of course the wheel sets are narrower.

Paul

And just to illustrate the point, here is a shot of a prototype narrow guage locomotive next to it's standard guage cousin.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=narrow+gauge+and+standard+guage+locomotive&um=1&hl=en&rlz=1R2ADFA_enUS359&tbm=isch&tbnid=veWrlLlufSrTNM:&imgrefurl=http://www.mainenarrowgauge.org/history/&docid=1t0fcwMRmVBS7M&w=700&h=572&ei=8bg0TpP2MIHpsQLa9LGLCw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=168&vpy=255&dur=2589&hovh=203&hovw=248&tx=144&ty=147&page=1&tbnh=121&tbnw=148&start=0&ndsp=32&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0&biw=1600&bih=721

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Posted by wedudler on Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:05 AM

And with narrow gauge you can have - with smaller rolling stock - smaller radii and steeper grades.

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Posted by markpierce on Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:40 PM

And the opportunity for dual-gauge trackage.

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Posted by G Paine on Monday, August 1, 2011 2:38 PM

IRONROOSTER

Some model narrow gauges use the standard gauge of a smaller scale -  HOn30 uses N  The advantage is that more commonly available track, trucks, couplers can be used even though aren't exactly the correct.

Paul

These are some comparisons of HO standard gage, HOn30 (representing 2 foot gage), and N scale standard gage. The size differences in standard gage vs. 2 foot gage locomotives and box cars are prototypically correct.

The advantage of HOn30 instead of more prototypically correct HOn24 is that HOn30 can use N scale mechanisms in the locomotives; where, if anyone wanted to do HOn24, they would have to custom  make mechanisms to run the locomotives at a much larger expense. How many people notice the difference of 6" in HO scale?

Locomotives - HO scale standard gage and 2 foot narrow gage (HOn30)

Rolling stock - HO standard gage, N scale standard gage, and HOn30

Track - (top to bottom) HO standard gage, HOn30 and N scale standard gage

Note that the rail spacing of the HOn30 and N scale are the same, but the tie size and spacing are different

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Posted by wedudler on Monday, August 1, 2011 3:07 PM

Mark, your crossing looks great.

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Posted by CTValleyRR on Monday, August 1, 2011 9:16 PM

stebbycentral

 

 IRONROOSTER:

 

Narrow gauge cars and locomotives are generally smaller in length, width, and height.  But some of the details tend to be the same size such as ladders while others such as couplers may be smaller.  And of course the wheel sets are narrower.

Paul

 

 

And just to illustrate the point, here is a shot of a prototype narrow guage locomotive next to it's standard guage cousin.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=narrow+gauge+and+standard+guage+locomotive&um=1&hl=en&rlz=1R2ADFA_enUS359&tbm=isch&tbnid=veWrlLlufSrTNM:&imgrefurl=http://www.mainenarrowgauge.org/history/&docid=1t0fcwMRmVBS7M&w=700&h=572&ei=8bg0TpP2MIHpsQLa9LGLCw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=168&vpy=255&dur=2589&hovh=203&hovw=248&tx=144&ty=147&page=1&tbnh=121&tbnw=148&start=0&ndsp=32&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0&biw=1600&bih=721

Not quite fair.  That's the Maine 2 foot gauge RR, an extremely narrow gauge by comparison.  Like amusement park scale.

Nice pix, though.

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Posted by markpierce on Monday, August 1, 2011 9:44 PM

wedudler

Mark, your crossing looks great.

Wolfgang

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Posted by wedudler on Tuesday, August 2, 2011 6:10 AM

Yes, Fast Tracks is great. But with these kits you can only make standard turnouts, not those, y-turnout with 10' radii.:

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Posted by G Paine on Tuesday, August 2, 2011 10:55 AM

CTValleyRR
Not quite fair.  That's the Maine 2 foot gauge RR, an extremely narrow gauge by comparison.  Like amusement park scale.

Nice pix, though.

I have to disagree about the 2 footers being like amusment park scale. There were many miles of 2 foot gage track in many areas of Maine, and these railroads were as real as the big standard gage guys. There were areas up on the Sandy River & Rangley Lakes RR where they ran as fast as 60 miles per hour. They hauled passengers, freight and mail at a profit, at least in the early days, and, in many cases, had scheduled, connections with MEC to transfer passengers. About 100 years ago there was a big summer business where famlies from the cities in southern New England would come to spend the summer in the Rangley Lakes area. The husband would take the train home to work and come back to visit on occasional weekends. Another small narrow gage was built to take people from a MEC connection in Agusta to the Vetrans Administration Hospital at Togus, 15 or 20 miles out in the country.  Monson Slate carried slate from a mine to interchange with Bangor & Aroostook. The SD Warren Paper Mill in Westbrook, ME had about 30 miles of trackage inside and outside the mill. They used their 3 two foot locomotives to move pulpwood, coal and ohter materials through the mill from 1895 until the mid-1940s.

Most of these railroads lasted from the 1880s or 1890s until the Great Depression or accidents that thay could not recover from put them out of business. Before you make a judgment, I suggest you come to Maine and ride one or two of the existing restored narrow gage trains and see what they really are about.

Wiscasset, Waterville and Farmington RR http://www.wwfry.org/ (read the history page of this RR!)

Sandy River and Rangley Lakes RR http://srrl-rr.org/

Maine Narrow Gauge Railroad Museum http://www.mainenarrowgauge.org/

Boothbay Railway Village http://www.railwayvillage.org/index.html

A good reference book is "Maine Narrow Gauge Railroads", Robert L. MacDonald, Arcadia Publishing.

Just a discalimer, I volunteer with the model RR group at Boothbay RR Village, so I may be a bit more passionate on the subject. Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by markpierce on Tuesday, August 2, 2011 1:02 PM

G Paine
I have to disagree about the 2 footers being like amusment park scale. There were many miles of 2 foot gage track in many areas of Maine, and these railroads were as real as the big standard gage guys. There were areas up on the Sandy River & Rangley Lakes RR where they ran as fast as 60 miles per hour. They hauled passengers, freight and mail at a profit, at least in the early days, and, in many cases, had scheduled, connections with MEC to transfer passengers.

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And then there is half-meter gauge (about 19")?  This Argentinian line used to be a logging railroad before becoming a tourist line.

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Posted by G Paine on Wednesday, August 3, 2011 5:11 PM

markpierce, Is that a Byar Garrett [excuse the spelling] type locomotive?

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Posted by markpierce on Wednesday, August 3, 2011 5:57 PM

No, it is not a Beyer-Garratt which has two articulations in the frame.  The pictured locomotive is a Union-Garratt which is only articulated in front.  The fuel bunker and boiler are on the same frame.  The powered bogie at the rear swivels under the frame while only the front bogie swivels with the forward frame.

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