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What do you think of the new cab forward?

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What do you think of the new cab forward?
Posted by rjake4454 on Saturday, May 1, 2010 1:13 PM

It has a built in DCC receiver, thats an improvement. I don't model the SP either, but it looks nice.

http://www.mthtrains.com/news/445

Still, if I were to get one, I think I would hold out for BLI's brass hybrid. Speaking of Broadway, they put out new pics of the daylight engine, preproduction samples of course. The die cast metal chassis looks impressive.

http://www.broadway-limited.com/paragon2spgs-44-8-4-2.aspx

 

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Posted by doctorwayne on Saturday, May 1, 2010 1:28 PM

rjake4454

 

Nicely done, and it looks like it's fitted with a lateral motion device on the front driving axle, too.  Laugh

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Posted by twhite on Saturday, May 1, 2010 2:17 PM

Well, the MTH model is the AC-6, which is my all-time favorite cab-forward, and that certainly whets my appetite. I've got an older Sunset AC-6 and it gets a real workout when I do an SP run-through on my MR.   However, being triple-mode--DC, DCS and DCC--, I don't expect that it will work very well with my other straight DC locos (yah, I know! Whistling) on my straight DC layout.   Too bad, too, if they offered it in straight DC, I'd probably get me a couple. 

But it's sure a handsome-looking beastie.  Tongue

Wayne:  That's sure one heck of a lateral motion device on the BLI GS-4, isn't it, LOL? 

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Posted by dti406 on Saturday, May 1, 2010 2:23 PM

Did anyone notice in the features that the AC-6 has a realistic coal load for an oil fired engine!! Oops

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Posted by West Coast S on Saturday, May 1, 2010 2:27 PM

I'd be curious the know if the orginal cab includes the orginal number boards and walkways in their as delieverd configuration  Also, are the circular openings under the cab plated over or in the as delivered design? In my humble opinon, the GS-4 has been overdone, how about a GS-2 or 3 or a war baby GS-6. Overall quite impressive despite my nitpicking. 

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Posted by CAZEPHYR on Saturday, May 1, 2010 2:48 PM

 

rjake4454

It has a built in DCC receiver, thats an improvement. I don't model the SP either, but it looks nice.

http://www.mthtrains.com/news/445

Still, if I were to get one, I think I would hold out for BLI's brass hybrid. Speaking of Broadway, they put out new pics of the daylight engine, preproduction samples of course. The die cast metal chassis looks impressive.

http://www.broadway-limited.com/paragon2spgs-44-8-4-2.aspx

 

What is the deal of the GS4 you have in the picture?  Is it on their web site??  The BLI hybrid brass version will be an AC12 and the AC4 and AC5 they offer is close to the AC 6, but is older and has different detail.

 

The new AC6 looks OK and offers us a chance to get the modern version of the AC6 or the early version, which only were available in brass up to this point.   The AC6 with the air pumps located on the smokebox is a nice version to have, but if you watch the video, you might notice they are missing the hot water pump that should be below the air pumps for the SA feedwater system.

I sent an email to MTH asking if the pump would be included in the new release but no response as of three days.  The model overall is close to the AC6 pictures I have overall except for the hot water pump.   I believe that detail is available in brass so that could be added.

The smoke is done nicely also but is an option that I would shut off.   Now the only problem is finding one at a discount, which is not an easy job with the MTH.   

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Posted by rjake4454 on Saturday, May 1, 2010 3:44 PM

Yes, BLI's website has several new pics up of the GS4.

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Posted by SteamFreak on Saturday, May 1, 2010 4:12 PM

 Looks like that lateral motion device was installed on the trailing truck, too. Smile,Wink, & Grin I never knew Espee kept their locos on the track by having flanges riding on both sides of the rail head.

 Seriously, that looks like a promising GS4, and the diecast construction should help give it some of the heft and pulling power that's been missing from so many modern plastic steamers.

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Posted by cacole on Saturday, May 1, 2010 8:40 PM

dti406

Did anyone notice in the features that the AC-6 has a realistic coal load for an oil fired engine!! Oops

Rick

That'll certainly keep the fireman busy, having to carry one scoop of coal at a time from the tender to the firebox on a cab forward!  Laugh

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Posted by loathar on Saturday, May 1, 2010 11:27 PM

SteamFreak

 Looks like that lateral motion device was installed on the trailing truck, too. Smile,Wink, & Grin I never knew Espee kept their locos on the track by having flanges riding on both sides of the rail head.

 Seriously, that looks like a promising GS4, and the diecast construction should help give it some of the heft and pulling power that's been missing from so many modern plastic steamers.

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Posted by cudaken on Sunday, May 2, 2010 7:23 AM

  As much as I have tried, have not be able to get fired up over the Cab Forwards. Just do not look right to me. Far as MTH, I will be steering clear of them till they make a true DCC engine.

 

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Posted by jbond on Sunday, May 2, 2010 7:34 AM

Assume u r referring to Intermountain's Cab Fwd?   Beautiful looking but operation is unacceptable.  Top speed is unacceptable, low speed is 3mph, and chuff is 2/ revolution. 

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Posted by Darth Santa Fe on Sunday, May 2, 2010 2:07 PM

jbond

Assume u r referring to Intermountain's Cab Fwd?   Beautiful looking but operation is unacceptable.  Top speed is unacceptable, low speed is 3mph, and chuff is 2/ revolution. 

He's talking about the new MTH Cab Forward, and even gave a direct link to it in the original post. MTH has been making some pretty good stuff, but some of their business practices have been questionable.

I would probably get an old Rivarossi or brass Cab Forward if I ever wanted one. It's more fun to get something that needs a little fixing up to look and work right.Big Smile

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Posted by CAZEPHYR on Sunday, May 2, 2010 2:15 PM

cacole

dti406

Did anyone notice in the features that the AC-6 has a realistic coal load for an oil fired engine!! Oops

Rick

That'll certainly keep the fireman busy, having to carry one scoop of coal at a time from the tender to the firebox on a cab forward!  Laugh

I noticed they tend to use all of the same boiler plate type of specifications for all of their models.  The model itself has an oil bunker with the presure type cap that SP used on the Cab Forwards.   The MTH prototype model they used for the video is missing some parts that might be on the production run.

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Posted by CAZEPHYR on Sunday, May 2, 2010 2:25 PM

jbond

Assume u r referring to Intermountain's Cab Fwd?   Beautiful looking but operation is unacceptable.  Top speed is unacceptable, low speed is 3mph, and chuff is 2/ revolution. 

Good catch on the Tsuami lack of being able to chuff 4 time per rev of the drivers in articulated mode.

  I called Soundtrax immediately when the Tsunami came out several years ago and they assured me it could be done, but could not give me any CV's that would provide the proper amount of chuffs in articulate mode.  You can achieve four chuffs in simple mode but that is not correct for a 4 cylinder locomotive.

The only way I could fix this problem was to use speed tables for the chuffs and use a separate decoder for the motor.   

I purchased two more of the AC12's believing that Intermountain had fixed the running problems for the 2nd run, but as nice as they look, they are still very poor in operation.

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Posted by rrinker on Sunday, May 2, 2010 2:46 PM

 Cab forwards have always interested me, but they do not fit with my prototype. Hmm, but the Reading could have tested one, right? No? Not buying it? Neither am I....

 The article in Classic Trains on cab-forwards was great.

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Posted by CAZEPHYR on Sunday, May 2, 2010 6:18 PM

rrinker

 Cab forwards have always interested me, but they do not fit with my prototype. Hmm, but the Reading could have tested one, right? No? Not buying it? Neither am I....

 The article in Classic Trains on cab-forwards was great.

                                --Randy

 

All of the Cab Forwards on the SP were built by Baldwin in Pennsylvania, so you might use the excuse that they were testing some new change or modification on the Reading???    

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Posted by rrinker on Sunday, May 2, 2010 8:58 PM

CAZEPHYR

rrinker

 Cab forwards have always interested me, but they do not fit with my prototype. Hmm, but the Reading could have tested one, right? No? Not buying it? Neither am I....

 The article in Classic Trains on cab-forwards was great.

                                --Randy

 

All of the Cab Forwards on the SP were built by Baldwin in Pennsylvania, so you might use the excuse that they were testing some new change or modification on the Reading???    

CZ

 That's a darn good excuse to model that segment of the Reading..... heck they probably WERE tested on the Reading tracks. Most likely shipped via the PRR though.

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