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Unravelling Rivarossi's HO Part # Systems??

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Unravelling Rivarossi's HO Part # Systems??
Posted by TankedEngine on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:15 PM

I wonder if there is someone out there who is on top of the various Rivarossi HO part # systems that have been used since 1960.??

I am aware of the checkered ownership/distribution history, [Rivarossi/AHM/IHC/Hornby etc], but don't yet have a handle on the various parts codings they have used.

 I have an IHC parts catalog that covers 1960's through the late 70's. It uses the 'split' coding system, eg: 160-001

 I am struggling to find a parts catalog that uses coding such as: 22003 or R26568.

 Can someone identify what era the above system was used?, & who put out a parts catalog that would have them in & when??

 Thank you

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Posted by richg1998 on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:37 PM

Take a look at the below link. Might be something there.

http://www.hoseeker.net/ahmmiscellaneous.html

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Posted by C&O Fan on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:39 PM

I use the HO seekers site for parts numbers

http://www.hoseeker.org/

 

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Posted by TankedEngine on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:48 PM

richg1998

Take a look at the below link. Might be something there.

http://www.hoseeker.net/ahmmiscellaneous.html

Rich

 Thanks

I've dug around there.

Many of the parts lists are from the 70's, using the 'dash' seperator system.

I think the numbers I am trying to identify are more recent, maybe the 90's

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Posted by Allegheny2-6-6-6 on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:10 PM

 Good luck finding parts for those vintage Rivarossi's with the part numbers or not. As I have been told by several authorities at train shows and by Hornby USA that parts for  those locomotives have not been manufactured for years. There are only a few places in the United States that have them other then the stray guy at a train show. If you go to any of the Greenberg shows there are tow guys who represent IHC as independent contractors Ray & Joe they have a pretty good stock of old RR stuff but they will tell you honestly it's hit or miss on weather some of it will fit or not. We tried using the part numbers from HO seeker a great source of information BTW but the parts themselves didn't have any numbers on them so we had to go by the illustrations.

The other source I reluctantly name is Golf Manor Hobbies in Cincinnati,  Ohio. I know this because he bought the entire stock of Rivarossi parts from a friend of mine who has a LHS in Little Silver NJ. The old guy who runs GMH is way past senile and should be home sitting in a rocking chair.He did a service on a Cab forward for me and as soon as I opened the box and attempted to put it on the tracks the rear tender truck fell off and the drivers were out of time.resulting it instant derailment.

I attempted to buy a pair of tender trucks for a Mallet and he sends me passenger car heavy weight trucks ok I'll give him one for an honest mistake. He then proceeds to charge my credit card 7 times for the same trucks. I had to cancel the card and get a new one issued. Even after the credit card company sent him a registered letter telling him to stop as the charges were being disputed he continued to charge away. So if you want to deal with him be for warned

if your into running old Rivarossi stuff as I used to be it will be in your best interest to accumulate as much of the old stuff you can find at train shows and the like just for spare parts. I donated my 18 boxes of stuff to the old timers in the club who refuse to run anything but.

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Posted by cacole on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 5:15 PM

Allegheny2-6-6-6

The other source I reluctantly name is Golf Manor Hobbies in Cincinnati, Ohio.

 

Golf Manor Hobbies went out of business a couple of years ago.  I don't think anyone bought their leftover stock of Rivarossi parts.

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Posted by TankedEngine on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:21 PM

cacole

Allegheny2-6-6-6

The other source I reluctantly name is Golf Manor Hobbies in Cincinnati, Ohio.

 

Golf Manor Hobbies went out of business a couple of years ago.  I don't think anyone bought their leftover stock of Rivarossi parts.

 

 I have heard it is going out through ebay, possibly via former GMH employees.

Unfortunately all they do to ID it is show a picture & give a Rivarossi part #. There is no ID of the Loco it belongs to.

& quite a few of the items have part #'s in the R26568 format, which I haven't, so far, been able to link to a Loco.

Hence my query.

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Posted by cacole on Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:18 AM

 At this point in time, your best bet would probably be to start frequenting swap meets, flea markets, and yard sales in the hope of finding a similar model that you can use to cannibalize parts.

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Posted by C&O Fan on Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:37 AM

cacole

 At this point in time, your best bet would probably be to start frequenting swap meets, flea markets, and yard sales in the hope of finding a similar model that you can use to cannibalize parts.

Or do a search on ebay for Rivarossi Parts

There are 3 deallers that sell on there all the time including

Back shops that sells good replacement motors

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Posted by TankedEngine on Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:59 AM

C&O Fan

cacole

 At this point in time, your best bet would probably be to start frequenting swap meets, flea markets, and yard sales in the hope of finding a similar model that you can use to cannibalize parts.

Or do a search on ebay for Rivarossi Parts

There are 3 deallers that sell on there all the time including

Back shops that sells good replacement motors

I have noticed the regular Rivarossi sellers on ebay & follow what they put up.

The difficulty I am having with some is that they only quote a part number to accompany a photo & no Loco is mentioned.

For quite a number of their part numbers, [ie the R26868 format], I have no reference material to determine if the part is one I am looking for.

So the issue is not locating parts, I can find them on ebay.

The issue is  identifying which loco they belong to when the part number is not in the xxx-xxx formats that come up on HOSeeker.

 Does anyone know if AHM?, or whoever was distributing Rivarossi in the early 1990's, put out a 1990's parts catalog?

 I think the part numbers I am having trouble with come from the early 1990's Locos.

Thanks

Tanked

 

 

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Posted by maxman on Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:19 AM

I don't know if this will be helpful to you or not, but I put your R26568 number into Google and came up with an ebay auction where it was listed.  Look about 12 or 13 lines down in the following link: http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=AllFeedback&userid=cwocnrr&iid=-1&de=off&items=25&interval=0&page=2

 That part looks like a power truck assembly.  There is also an e-mail address listed for the person doing the auction.  Possibly if you send him you question he can shed some light on the subject.

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Posted by J W Bowker on Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:07 PM

You probably already  know this, but the biggest seller of Rivarossi parts on EBay is 

http://myworld.ebay.com/mwinternetauctionsonmain/

However, as you said, they only list part numbers--maybe a  rough description and a photo---so poorly taken that it is almost impossible to make an accurate visual identification of the part.   Basically, they are not hobbyists, but an  auction house that bought out a huge inventory of Rivarossi parts for pennies on the dollars from some authorized repair hobby shop that went under.  They know nothing more than what is written on the box or the container that the parts  are in.

There are a couple of catalog sources also pop up on EBay from time to time.   One right now is offering a CD that has catalog info in a PDF, but looking at the model  numbers he lists and the fact that he only list  AHM/Rivarossi/Pocher and does not include IHC,  I'm guessing that this is pre 1990's catalog info.

There is a second guy who has a 1990 Rivarossi parts/scratch builder's catalog for sale.   It is  in English, but the seller is out of Italy and he wants $40 for the catalog plus $17 shipping.  Not knowing if this catalog has the new part number system makes its purchase kind of an expensive gamble.

Just do an EBay search for "Rivarossi parts catalogs" and both will  come up.  Then you could send each an inquiry--asking if the part number series you are interested in is included.

 Doing a Google search for the same I found this listing for a 1996/7 Rivarossi catalog for only $10 plus $2 shipping at another on-line  auction site.  This is a much smaller site than EBay, so they rarely have the diversity of product offerings one finds at the larger site.

http://www.ioffer.com/i/1996-97-MODEL-EXPO-INC-RIVAROSSI-TRAIN-CATALOG-23-PAG-11798210

However, at only 23 pages, it may only list complete models and not parts.  Once again it would be wise to send the seller an inquiry.

 Hope this helps

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Posted by TankedEngine on Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:33 PM

J W Bowker

 Doing a Google search for the same I found this listing for a 1996/7 Rivarossi catalog for only $10 plus $2 shipping at another on-line  auction site.  This is a much smaller site than EBay, so they rarely have the diversity of product offerings one finds at the larger site.

http://www.ioffer.com/i/1996-97-MODEL-EXPO-INC-RIVAROSSI-TRAIN-CATALOG-23-PAG-11798210

However, at only 23 pages, it may only list complete models and not parts.  Once again it would be wise to send the seller an inquiry.

 Hope this helps

 

Thanks JB

I was aware of that ebay seller as they have been the biggest volume lister for Rivarossi of late.

I had a look at the Model Expo catalog & its rather intriguing as the cover is showing parts, but I have a gut feeling it may be a Locos/Carriages stock catalog, rather than parts.

Perhaps someone on the forum will recognize it & can advise whether it has parts & part #'s, or not.

Ideally, if it does & a Rivarossi fan that uses HOSeeker buys it, putting the data on HO Seeker would be a public service, I think.

Have you purchased through ioffer.com??

I had not heard of them & checked them out & found mixed reviews, hence hesitation over going after the catalog.

 

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Posted by J W Bowker on Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:10 PM

Hey Tanked,

 I have never bought anything at Ioffer nor the other EBay clone (EBid.com) although I did bid on something at the latter site once but the price went higher than I was willing to pay.   

Being smaller sites they don't charge as much commission as EBay does, so they are a bit better for the seller.    However, they get less traffic, which in turm limits the variety and volume of items offered.

One of the issues with Rivarossi parts over the years is that models that were carried through all their various import partners for a long time went through minor design evolutions.    What this means is that parts that fit a particular engine imported 1985 might not fit the same model imported in 1995.

That's probably the reason for the changes in the part numbering system.   Their authorized repair centers probably had a cross reference system, but with the demise of most of those product lines, it's anybody's guess where one would find such information.

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Posted by TankedEngine on Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:28 PM

J W Bowker

Hey Tanked,

 I have never bought anything at Ioffer nor the other EBay clone (EBid.com) although I did bid on something at the latter site once but the price went higher than I was willing to pay.   

 

The ioffer catalog is 26 pages. I have an IHC Scratchbuilders' Bible  & its 124 pages. Which suggests to me the ioffer one is not a parts listing.

Tanked

 

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