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Breaking news from Athearn!
Posted by Don Z on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:33 AM

I received the following information in an email this morning from Athearn:

Athearn to Offer SoundTraxx Tsunami Equipped Locomotives

Athearn Trains is excited to announce that all sound-equipped HO-scale Genesis locomotives, as well as Athearn N Scale and Roundhouse sound locomotives announced after April 27th, 2009 will proudly feature SoundTraxx Tsunami Digital Sound Decoders. Custom designed for Athearn, these state-of-the-art Digital Sound Decoders will include the following features:
 
  • Tsunami technology that provides smooth and precise locomotive operation.
  • Back-EMF control for consistent operating speeds.
  • Compatible with the NMRA DCC Standards and Recommended Practices.
  • Dual-mode capability to allow for operation on Analog or DCC layouts.
  • 16-bit digital processor provides CD quality sound technology.
  • Diesel decoders will include the following sound effects: prime mover startup/shutdown, bell, air horn (with several user-selectable horn types), air compressor, turbocharger (where applicable), dynamic brakes (where applicable), brake squeal, fans, coupler crash, and many more.
  • Steam decoders will include the following sound effects: exhaust chuff, bell, whistle, air pump, dynamo, injectors, and many more.
  • HO-Scale models will feature effect lighting (as applicable per prototype), including:
    • Mars oscillating signal lights (clear and red, as applicable per prototype)
    • Pyle Gyralights (clear and red, as applicable per prototype)
    • Western-Cullen rotary beacons
    • Prime Stratolite sequential beacons
    • Xenon Strobes
    • Flashing ditch lights
    • and more!
  • Programmable acceleration, deceleration, and starting voltage.
  • Supports 14-bit address modes for addressing any Loco number up to 9,999.
  • Supports programming on the main.

Looks like the dreams of us modelers have come true!

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Posted by lvanhen on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:41 AM

Great news - thanks!!Smile

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:33 AM

Good move.  How many others have basically stopped even looking at Athearn because of the MRC decoders with their quality issues?

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Posted by Don Z on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:44 AM

MisterBeasley

Good move.  How many others have basically stopped even looking at Athearn because of the MRC decoders with their quality issues?

Count me in....once I heard of the proramming and running issues of the MRC decoders, I simply crossed Athearn off of my shopping list. I've passed up several models that I really wanted simply because of that dreaded decoder.

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Posted by Darth Santa Fe on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:05 AM

That is great news! It looks like they do listen to the customers.Big Smile Athearn has the article on the front page of their website now. http://ns.horizonhobby.com/nscontent/Brand/ATH/2009.04/04.29.2009_SoundTraxx.html

I'm no sound expert, but when I heard their Big Boy for the first time, I thought it sounded awful. I'm sure it'll sound a lot better with a Tsunami.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:43 AM

MisterBeasley

Good move.  How many others have basically stopped even looking at Athearn because of the MRC decoders with their quality issues?

 

Only the DCC users..The DC users had no issues with the sound..

 

The problems started the very minute the decoder was set up in the DCC mode..

That was the killer.Dead

 

Of course savvy DCC users bought the DCC ready units and added DCC/Sound.

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Posted by cacole on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:49 AM

 It's about time Athearn woke up and realized how badly the MRC decoders were hurting their sales.  I've passed up several models because of the decoders they were using.

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Posted by Paul3 on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:55 AM

FYI: Remember, it was Horizon that made the call to go with MRC in the first place because they were significantly cheaper at their price point than anyone else.  Horizon, being an R/C and plastic kit distributer who only just got into model trains, didn't have any clue about MRC's "issues" and blithely went along thinking "sound is sound".  Athearn employees tried to warn them, but I guess it was hard to hear them over the sounds the $$$ was making.  Smile

Apparently, what changed Horizon's mind was the return to Athearn of many faulty MRC-equipped locos, and that these people wanted their money back.  I'm sure the bad press from internet forums influenced their decision as well, but the primary reason was the usual: money.  The MR hobbyist voted with their wallets, and Horizon finally was able to dump MRC.

BTW, while I think Tsunami's have the highest quality sound on the market, I wish their speed control was better.  I have an Atlas Classic RS-11 with a Alco 251 Tsunami in it, and in one direction it's typical Atlas....great, gradual and smooth control.  In the other direction, the loco jumps from zero to 10mph at around 10% throttle, which makes switching with it a bit of a challenge (which wasn't the case when I had the Digitrax DH163 in it earlier).  I also wish they would support CV5 and CV6 for Vmax and Vmid, and that they had customizable sound files.

Still, I think Horizon made a wise decision to go with Tsunami.  Their 567 recording is great, and the Alco sound isn't too shabby, either.  Their horns could use some work, but the loco sounds are very nice.

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Posted by MOJAX on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:26 AM

 Great news!

 I've been purchasing non decoder Genesis units because the few that I had with MRC decoders have given me nothing but problems.

Will we be seeing much of a price increase due to the better decoder?

Thanks

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Posted by loathar on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:45 AM

Interesting...This really contradicts what I was recently told by Athearn. Hopefully the Chinese will install them properly or the change in supplier might not make much of a difference.

Thanks for the info Don.

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Posted by Packer on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:50 AM

Yay! So will those GP15-1s have soundtraxx instead of MRC? Also if some of us Have MRC decoders in some of our engines and they break, would we get soundtraxx ones if Athearn runs out of MRC? Hopefully athearn does some more BN units with soundtraxx installed, a genesis version of the SD40-2 would be great.

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:30 PM

MisterBeasley
Good move.  How many others have basically stopped even looking at Athearn because of the MRC decoders with their quality issues?

I would have been one of those people.  Looks like I can stop boycotting Athearn now.  This was my ONE issue.

 

And wouldn't you know it I just purchased two ABBA sets of F units from a different company last weekend. 

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Posted by richg1998 on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:53 PM

 Right now I doubt we will be able to purchase the sound stuff separately. The Bachmann Spectrum's have Tsunami Technology decoders and are not available separately. Some people have tried ordering from Bachmann. While it may not be a big issue, the Tsunami in factory Spectrum's do not have all the stuff that Tsunami's you install yourself. I wonder if that will happen with Athearn's versions?

I know SoundTraxx is in Colorado and I believe the decoders are produced there. That could and may have changed.

When there was a great delay for the diesel decoders, I received a letter in an order from Litchfield that Bruce sent out about how SoundTraxx was getting a new computer operated machine to produce the decoders.

I buy DCC ready and I have installed Micro-Tsunami's in my Spectrum's.

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Posted by fwright on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:00 PM

richg1998

Right now I doubt we will be able to purchase the sound stuff separately. The Bachmann Spectrum's have Tsunami Technology decoders and are not available separately. Some people have tried ordering from Bachmann. While it may not be a big issue, the Tsunami in factory Spectrum's do not have all the stuff that Tsunami's you install yourself. I wonder if that will happen with Athearn's versions?

Rich

I do not doubt for a second that the Tsunamis installed in Athearn and Roundhouse will be "dumbed down" somewhat, just as the Bachmann Spectrum-installed Tsunamis are.  As some of the HOn3 experimenters have shown, a retail Tsunami (or micro-Tsunami) decoder has an immense number of CV combinations to allow specific tailoring to your particular installation, motor, speaker, speaker enclosure, etc.  Decoder Pro is critical to even beginning to tune all the CVs.  All of these possible CV combinations are not needed nor necessarily desirable if being installed into a specific known locomotive with known motor, speaker, etc.  And from the locomotive manufacturer's point of view, fewer possible CV combinations means fewer support headaches.  At the same time, the locomotive manufacturer gets "credit" for providing an up-scale decoder ready-to-roll.

The difference also gives the DCC-equipped locomotive owner a Soundtraxx upgrade path should they really want more than their OEM Tsunami came with.  As Rich pointed out, if you want the full Tsunami experience, you buy DCC-ready and install retail Tsunami decoders.

My question is whether the OEM Tsunamis are just retail Tsunamis with some CVs internally disabled or locked to a particular value, or whether they are actually separate parts.  I suspect the former is most likely, and wonder whether Soundtraxx would be willing/able to "unlock" the extra CVs.

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Posted by brank on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:52 PM

.....thats nice.....now how do I fix/retrofit my Genesis MP-15's? Has there been a previous thread on this topic? Is it possible to replace the decoder and maintain all the lighting features? Thanks for the update!

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Posted by CAZEPHYR on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:25 PM

I sent a congratulations email to Athearn after reading the news and would hope a few of our forum readers might consider thanking them also. .  

I want to thank everyone who has emailed athearn in the past few years requesting the Genesis units to be offered as non sound units, which started with some of the latest diesels and the FEF second run.

I purchased five of the Genesis Challengers and some of the Big Boys but never used them since they are DCC challenged to say the least.  I did replace the sound and drive on some of those so they could be run and enjoyed with a Tsunami.  My models are just a little ahead of time I guess, by three years.

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Posted by richg1998 on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:39 PM

I suspect the decoders will be like the factory installed ones from Bachmann. They do not look like the ones you buy from DCC suppliers that are fairly small shrink wrapped. The board is almost as wide as the tender from what i have seen. I think there are two different boards in the Spectrum's, a decoder board and maybe a light board from what I see in the Spectrum PDFs.

I have one Roundhouse 4-4-0 that came with MRC sound and the decoder was almost as wide as the tender and wide open, no shrink tubing around it. It was replaced by a Micro.

Since SoundTraxx is already supplying Bachmann, it would not be too big a deal to supply Athearn since the factory programming is the biggest issue.

My Spectrum's were DCC ready, no decoders, only a lighting PC board with NMRA socket.

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Posted by sparkyjay31 on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:57 PM
Just one question? How will one be able to know that what they are buying is not the MRC decoder? Will Athearn / Roundhouse put a big red sticker on the box labeling it as a Soundtraxx? I'm wondering how many will buy a new loco and not realize it's a MRC until it's too late. I can see more bashing coming very soon..."Well I didn't know it was a MRC." or "Why didn't Athearn put a label on the box?" I know I'd like to see a big label on the box to be sure.
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Posted by Don Z on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:06 PM

sparkyjay31
Just one question? How will one be able to know that what they are buying is not the MRC decoder? Will Athearn / Roundhouse put a big red sticker on the box labeling it as a Soundtraxx? I'm wondering how many will buy a new loco and not realize it's a MRC until it's too late. I can see more bashing coming very soon..."Well I didn't know it was a MRC." or "Why didn't Athearn put a label on the box?" I know I'd like to see a big label on the box to be sure.

If you take the time to read the announcement carefully, it states that locomotives "announced after 4/27/09" will have the Tsunamis installed. That means there have been no new models announced yet. The last models announced in the Genesis line were the FP7 in WP colors and a weathered Big Boy, both announced on 4/21/09. Those aren't due in until 12/09, so it will be next year before we actually see any Tsunami equipped locos for sale.

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Posted by sparkyjay31 on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:09 PM
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sparkyjay31
Just one question? How will one be able to know that what they are buying is not the MRC decoder? Will Athearn / Roundhouse put a big red sticker on the box labeling it as a Soundtraxx? I'm wondering how many will buy a new loco and not realize it's a MRC until it's too late. I can see more bashing coming very soon..."Well I didn't know it was a MRC." or "Why didn't Athearn put a label on the box?" I know I'd like to see a big label on the box to be sure.

If you take the time to read the announcement carefully, it states that locomotives "announced after 4/27/09" will have the Tsunamis installed. That means there have been no new models announced yet. The last models announced in the Genesis line were the FP7 in WP colors and a weathered Big Boy, both announced on 4/21/09. Those aren't due in until 12/09, so it will be next year before we actually see any Tsunami equipped locos for sale.

Don Z.

I saw that, but...Let's just hope that if Roundhouse announces a new batch of 4-4-0's that there will be "something" on the box indicating that this is not a MRC equipped engine. That's all I was saying.
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Posted by Michael Stephens on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:21 PM

 But check the link on the Athearn newsletter that takes you to the list of models to be delivered with Soundtraxx:

http://www.athearn.com/Search/Default.aspx?SearchTerm=soundtraxx

Note that the long-anticipated SP Mountain and the N scale FP/F45's will come with Soundtraxx, as will a number of Genesis diesels previously announced.

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Posted by pastorbob on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:32 PM

You all feel free to fawn all over the Athearn guys for this much delayed change.  I however, got burnt on a total of 10 Genesis diesels that did not have the new decoder.  I have a large stable of diesels and I have no reason or need to purchase any more motive power from Athearn.  Just not interested.  I will continue to look to Atlas and Kato for whatever needs I may have in the future.  If they can't supply, I will make other plans or go without.

Athearn has shot me in the foot too many times.

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Posted by sparkyjay31 on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:38 PM
pastorbob

You all feel free to fawn all over the Athearn guys for this much delayed change.  I however, got burnt on a total of 10 Genesis diesels that did not have the new decoder.  I have a large stable of diesels and I have no reason or need to purchase any more motive power from Athearn.  Just not interested.  I will continue to look to Atlas and Kato for whatever needs I may have in the future.  If they can't supply, I will make other plans or go without.

Athearn has shot me in the foot too many times.

Bob

No offense meant. But if you got burned a couple of times why did you go back? Is their motive power THAT good? I got scalded on my very first HO purchase ( a Roundhouse 4-4-0 with the MRC decoder ). Lesson learned and I have not been back. And I'm not sure I will go back. I'd try to be more patient and realize that you went back more times than you perhaps should have.
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Posted by Capt. Grimek on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:09 PM
If anyone hears if there will be a reasonably priced (discounted) upgrade for the MRC supplied Challengers and Big Boys from Athearn please let us know? I've emailed them and congratulated them but no answer to this question yet. Mine are a year old or less. I wasn't happy about the MRCs but the Athearn versions were the best/detailed models at that price point at the time. If I get a response I'll post it here.

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Posted by sparkyjay31 on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:18 PM
I've got my Roundhouse 4-4-0 that is about a year old. Wonder if this would extend to those too?
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Posted by Packer on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:29 PM

Capt. Grimek; Why not make it available for everything and be able to use the MRC stuff as trade-in value? I have an F45 that is about 2 months old and have though about getting changed. Although I haven't really had an issue with running it, it is kind of a pain to program since I can't read CVs.

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Posted by Capt. Grimek on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:27 PM
Packer, I think basically we're in agreement. I used the two steamers as examples 'cause that's what i've purchased from Athearn Genesis. I would wholeheartedly agree that ALL MRC decoder/Genesis model owners , should be given an economical way to upgrade to Tsunamis. It seems hard to believe that they didn't know there were many many issues with the MRC decoders and were losing business. It's very common to provide a reasonable upgrade path in computer worlds so this would not be an unusual business practice in general. Let's hope Athearn agrees with us! I'd be more than happy to mail my locos back to them for an upgrade/install or trade in towards a new version IF it's not going to be based on a new MRSP or cost more than a full version Tsunami and install done by a shop. If they could make the conversion plug and play all the better and we could do them ourselves but THAT's not likely for my Challenger and Big Boys at least.

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Posted by Hamltnblue on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:31 PM

You should be in luck.  The announcement came just a week after they started shipping these.  What a coincidence Smile,Wink, & Grin.  They now make plug and play drop in decoders for athearn genesis.

http://www.soundtraxx.com/dsd/tsunami/index.php?p=1000gn.php

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Posted by Capt. Grimek on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:47 PM
This is good news for diesel model owners but no joy for steamers... Am I mistaken in thinking that the Genesis Big Boy and Challenger have MRC dual function decoders? (mobile and sound)? If that's correct, then the sound plug and play won't fix the problem. (Runaway locos, dead on the tracks, surprise CV reconfigurations, etc.) Can anyone clarify? I'll dig out my booklets but I have to move a bunch of lumber lst...

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Posted by Artur on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:49 PM

every engine i have has an MRC decoder in it and I've never had a problem not one. the only difference was I would purchase the engines without decoders and than install the MRC decoder my self. I guess from reading the posts Athearn must have had some unqualified people installing those decoders, and there just might be a problem with the Tsunami decoders as well. I would defiantly recommend checking the decoder installation and all the connection before even placing a new engine on the tracks.

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