Tonight I running the old fleet, seems fitting with it be New Years Eve. I have a sizes able fleet of ODC covered hoppers, 30 in fact. They have all been worked over and even with them being cheap TYCO they now pull as good if not better than the good stuff.
Would like some pictures of real ones and some back ground on them. They where realy made right?
If you like to tinker and like something driffrent looking they are great. Clean the blosters out, added PK 33 wheels, Kadee couplers and pockets and some weight they pull better than stock RTR Athearns. Year ago I ran all 30 of them at my LHS train night. Reaction I got was like I just pulled out 30 brass hoppers! Know one could believe they where just junk TYCO cars.
Happy New Year from Cuda Ken
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Nothing on the covered hoppers, but about 3/4 the way down on this link you'll see some boxcars at the Omaha stock yards for Old Dutch Cleanser.
http://www.railroadforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26579
Rick
One thing to keep in mind with the older TYCO, AMH and other older trainset equipment is that they painted stuff as they felt like it. I have seen a lot of "fantasy" schemes over the years from this equipment. This isn't to say there is a problem with it but, just more reason why prototype operation people do not use this stuff. It is entirely posible there was no true prototype for these cars and instead they were the artistic brainchild of someone at the TYCO art department trying to add some color to the trainset in the box. It is cool though to see a long string of similar looking cars going around a layout. I recall the Penn York model train club that had a modular layout they would travel with to different venues. One of the proncipal operators had a iron ore train that consisted of over 100 ore hoppers that would run around the layout. The last time I saw the layout they had a string of autoracks that had to number close to 100. Both trains were cool to see running. I have a string of around 40 MDC 40' B&LE coal hoppers that I pull around my layout for visitors.
Dan Pikulski
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At one time, Tyco was owned by Consolidated foods, and they painted many cars advertising their product lines. Blatant advertising like this on real railroad cars was prohibited many years earlier by regulation.
About 20 years ago my wife bought me a LL train set for Christmas!! It had a Caltrain F40 loco, a Corn Flakes 40' box, an Ice Cream Cone reefer, a Gerbers reefer, and a green BN caboose!! No Old Dutch car, but the colors on the others are "bright" to say the least!! - and with a passenger loco to boot!! Don't recall how they run, but I still have them packed away - can't hurt the lady's feelings!!
RedGrey62 Nothing on the covered hoppers, but about 3/4 the way down on this link you'll see some boxcars at the Omaha stock yards for Old Dutch Cleanser.
Upon close inspection they appear to be reefers. Which makes sense for them being in the stockyards where the slaughterhouses were located. But leaves me with the question; what would a cleanser company ship that would require refrigeration?
I am however shocked to discover that there is no prototype for Old Dutch covered hoppers, the next thing you will be telling me is that there are no such things as LifeSaver tank cars either!
I have figured out what is wrong with my brain! On the left side nothing works right, and on the right side there is nothing left!
Billboard reefers, advertising various products, were popular only for a short time in the first or second decade of the 1900's, and I believe sometime in the early 30's were gone as the regulatory climate of the time said they were unfair advertising or some such nonesense dealing with anti-trust legislation. You would not see such cars in a 50's era setting. But there wer eplenty of cars like that, advertising for products that were not actually carried in those cars - hence Old Dutch Cleanser. I believe the Old Dutch Cleanser ads were on cars of the Patrick Cudahy meat packing company, and not others like Swift.
--Randy
Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's
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rrinker Billboard reefers, advertising various products, were popular only for a short time in the first or second decade of the 1900's, and I believe sometime in the early 30's were gone as the regulatory climate of the time said they were unfair advertising or some such nonesense dealing with anti-trust legislation. You would not see such cars in a 50's era setting. But there wer eplenty of cars like that, advertising for products that were not actually carried in those cars - hence Old Dutch Cleanser. I believe the Old Dutch Cleanser ads were on cars of the Patrick Cudahy meat packing company, and not others like Swift. --Randy
Randy,A guy at one of the HO clubs that I am a member of has 30 of those Old Dutch Cleanser Covered Hoppers and he uses 2 CR SDs 70s to pull 'em with..He reworked these cars by adding body mounted couplers and Athearn trucks..He says "You heard of the orange juice train right? This here train is the cleanser train..
Larry
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Most all of the foregoing posts have been correct regarding billboard cars. Most of those that folks remember were reefers but during the first third of the last century there were also similarly illustrated box cars, too. However, covered hoppers did not come into general use until after the main era of billboard cars had ended, so an Old Dutch ad on a covered hopper is, as others have indicated, simply a method of adding color to a toy train set and not a representation of reality. Of course, one does see covered hoppers today with large company logos enblazened on their sides but that's a different matter.
With regard to the billboard cars themselves, they did not totally disappear toward the end of the 1930's, as many hobbyists mistakenly believe. While largely eliminated from general service (they were never "outlawed") as the result of the rules that were put in place regarding car usage, those owned or leased by a particular company - Swift meats was a good example - retained their colorful advertising paint schemes for decades thereafter.
CNJ831
So Ken, why stop with Dutch Cleanser? Why not a Maxwell House train with a few Domino cars thrown in as sweetener?
Nelson
Ex-Southern 385 Being Hoisted
Thanks for all the answers guys, so there where no real ODC Hoppers. Must say it does not surprises me at all. I had seen some old pictures where the logo was used on boxes cars so I thought there was a chances they really made the hoppers.
Readgray, great stock pictuers as well.
Thank for all the effort folks.
Cuda Ken