Just got a sweet deal on an 0-6-0 ladderback, it is metal(not brass) plastic tender on metal frame and has many details added, there is no maker name but it does have a number on the bottom of the engine, 3995, I've searched the net but can't find this model, sorry no photo, can anyone help??? I think it may have been a kit. thanks.
What is a ladderback? Did a little search and it refers to chairs.
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You didn't by chance mean "saddleback"?
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I thought about saddleback but he mentions a tender. Possibility it is a saddleback and the rear of the engine has a ladder and maybe the rear of the loco roughly looks like a tender to him. Just a WAG.
What is confusing is "metal(not brass) plastic tender on a metal frame".
OK: The locomotive is metal, the tender is plastic and the frame and wheels are metal. And it is not "saddle back" it's a "ladderback tender"-- the official name. Ladderbacks were only used on steam switchers.
Isn't that another name for a wedge tender?
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I asked in the Yardbird Yahoo Group and a WAG is a slope back tender used with a Goat, shifter, Big Six.
One responded but the name is new to him and the group deals a lot with steam switch locomotives.
A picture would sure help. It sounds like Mantua, MDC/Roundhouse though the Mantua engines usually have the Mantua on the bottom of the frame. Maybe a Varney.
tatansJust got a sweet deal on an 0-6-0 ladderback,
Been a modeler for over 40 years. Never heard of a "ladderback" tender. Slopeback, whaleback, clear vision, centipede, cross country, water bottom, long haul, water bottle, but never ladderback. Got picture of one?
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dehusman tatansJust got a sweet deal on an 0-6-0 ladderback, Been a modeler for over 40 years. Never heard of a "ladderback" tender. Slopeback, whaleback, clear vision, centipede, cross country, water bottom, long haul, water bottle, but never ladderback. Got picture of one?
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richg1998It sounds like ... MDC/Roundhouse
Note the Belpair type square fire box
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Look at this site and see if any 0-6-0 looks like yours.
http://www.hoseeker.net/mdcmiscellaneous.html
richg1998It sounds like MDC/Roundhouse ...
However, Mantua does call their's a Goat. Bowser calls theirs a "shifter"from the Bowser web site.Note the squarish Belpaire firebox.
Tatans:
I'm wondering if you got an older late 'fifties, early 'sixties MDC Roundhouse 0-6-0 with the loco and tender both made out of metal? I can't remember when Model Die Casting went to producing the tenders out of plastic, but I think it was around the mid-'sixties. The loco was based on the SP 0-6-0 and was considered quite a good running hauler in its day. They were very sturdy and well put together. I've got a later model with a plastic tender and still use it on my MR. It's a neat little loco. The later models had a reduction gear but the earlier models had a direct-drive worm from the motor to the driver.
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Texas Zepherrichg1998It sounds like MDC/Roundhouse ...That would have been my guess.However, Mantua does call their's a Goat. Bowser calls theirs a "shifter" from the Bowser web site.
However, Mantua does call their's a Goat. Bowser calls theirs a "shifter" from the Bowser web site.
Since Tatans was talking about an 0-6-0, the Bowser version would have been the PRR B-6 0-6-0. The one pictured above is the PRR A-5, an 0-4-0. They both have slope-back tenders, but I suspect he got either the Mantua "Big Six" (which appears to be a sort-of B&O prototype), or the MDC SP 0-6-0. They both are or can be smooth-running haulers.
Also from the Bowser site, of their B-6.
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Yikes ! I found the locomotive, thanks to perusing about 56,000 pages of old catalogues(and enjoying it) the locomotive is a TYCO ''big six'' T218AS, the problem with my loco, whoever built it left off a couple of parts, but there are new super details added and it's a great engine. I found the model in about 5 or 6 different years in the Tyco catalogue, also they made an 0-4-0 with the exact body of the 0-6-0. I'm digging up more info on the term "ladderback" that's the only term I ever heard used on a slope back tender, (see, doesn't it look like a ladder up against a building ? ? ) I'm amazed no one has even heard the term, it may be a Canayjun thing, I will try and find more about the term. The site where I found them: hoseseeker.net was a tremendous help and a real treat to use, I did not know just how much "stuff" these many train companies made, Thanks for the help. I'm also wondering if the term "goat'' threw people off, I refer to all switchers as goats.
Is this the one you mean? It is Tyco 218, Big Six 0-6-0. I could not find T218BS but I did not look though every Tyco page. If that is the one, it looks more like a stairway to me.
http://www.hoseeker.org/assemblyexplosiontyco/tyco060bigsixpg3.jpg
The ladderback must be a local term as a couple groups I questioned and some in this forum never heard of the term. At least you have a solution.
If you have any paperwork you can scan, HO Seeker can put it in for you. I have sent him Bachmann and Roundhouse catalog scans from the 1990s, plus Roundhouse 2007 and Spectrum 2007 locomotive diagrams.
That's a sloped back tender, sometimes called a wedge tender though that's a different type altogether.
Rich: yes that's it, an assembly plan for a "ladderback tender" thanks, is there an accompanying sheet for the locomotive also?? can you tell me what catalogue this came from? Now my next project is to find the origin of the term "ladderback" thanks gang.
Actually its called a slope back tender because-well the tank slopes toward the rear of the tender.
"ladderback" is a new one on me..I suspect its because of the steps on the slope back tender.
A goat is any type of yard switcher including diesel switchers..
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This is the page. Click on Steam Diagrams/Part Numbers. Look for 218 0-6-0 Big Six. There are three pages.
http://www.hoseeker.org/tycomiscellaneous.html
gmcrailSince Tatans was talking about an 0-6-0, the Bowser version would have been the PRR B-6 0-6-0. The one pictured above is the PRR A-5, an 0-4-0.