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Posted by Packers#1 on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 6:23 PM

markpierce

Packers#1

I got 102 trackplans, and the layout on page 14, I think, is a little 2x4 layout that, with a little modifications (swapping four switches to lefts instead of right, I'd only need one switch, and changing up the scenic aspects of the layout a little),

Not sure how'd you do that.  The plan as drawn has 3 left-hand turnouts and only 3 right-hand turnouts.  You probably mistaked the turnout in front of the station as a right-hand turnout.  The plan's arrangement eliminates an S-curve for the cross-over there.

Mark

Are you sure we're looking at the same plan? It's plan #12, the Montandon Branch, featured in GMR 2002. Where the industries are, the plan as is has a passing siding made of 4 right hand switches. I'll swap it to 4 left hands, b/c all i have is 5 left hand switches, and 0 rights. And yes, I know I need one more switch. Sorry for the confusion!

Ok, so I was the confused. After taking a second glance at your comment and looking hard at the switch, is that already a left-hand one? I think I'll keep it because the biggest thing running will be that GP7.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 6:36 PM

Packers#1
Ok, so I was the confused. After taking a second glance at your comment and looking hard at the switch, is that already a left-hand one? I think I'll keep it because the biggest thing running will be that GP7.

What if you get something bigger in the future?

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Posted by Packers#1 on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 6:50 PM

jeffrey-wimberly

Packers#1
Ok, so I was the confused. After taking a second glance at your comment and looking hard at the switch, is that already a left-hand one? I think I'll keep it because the biggest thing running will be that GP7.

What if you get something bigger in the future?

Well, this isn't taking over for my 4x8, just something that I can build quickly, take to shows if I ever can, and if I get ticked off at my 4x8, I can just run a train on this little one and calm down. But, if I ever get the urge, I can definitely expand this with the interchange siding, just extend the main to another table that has the other town on the line, and the main that runs down will represent the run to a mine. So, this can expand if I ever want to, and I'll have a bigger layout as well, lol.

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Posted by howmus on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 7:11 PM

jeffrey-wimberly
To top things off I lost my glasses. I had placed them on the front of the car between the hood and the windshield while I was working on the car. When I finished I went for a test drive to a neighbors place 3 miles away. It wasn't until after I got back that I realized what I did. I've searched the road side between my place and my neighbors place from the car and on foot to no avail. I guess I'm gonna have to figure out a way to come up with $300 for new glasses.

 

Jeffrey that is terrible!  Hopefully they will show up..........  

OK everyone, SOUP'S READY!   Turned out gooooooooooooooood!  Nothing like home made hot Turkey soup on a cold evening.  Had a couple rolls left over from the feast and the last of the Pumpkin Pie (sorry Philip). 

I was looking for an old humorous e-mail about men saving money so I could barb Jeffrey about the glasses.  Couln'd find it but did run across this old musicians joke...... Enjoy!

Two New York City jazzers got a gig in Chicago but had to drive separate cars.
 
When the trumpet player arrived at the gig, he was told the sax player had been
killed tragically on a bridge in Indiana.
 
He looked confused... then said, "Man, there's no bridge in Indiana."
 

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Posted by New Haven I-5 on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 7:28 PM

 Good evening!

 Looks like Ray has some turkey soup. I'm gonna go get some!DinnerBig Smile

 

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Posted by galaxy on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 7:36 PM

jeffrey-wimberly

 To top things off I lost my glasses. I had placed them on the front of the car between the hood and the windshield while I was working on the car. When I finished I went for a test drive to a neighbors place 3 miles away. It wasn't until after I got back that I realized what I did. I've searched the road side between my place and my neighbors place from the car and on foot to no avail. I guess I'm gonna have to figure out a way to come up with $300 for new glasses. Not an easy trick when your total monthly income is $627. There's not gonna be any train money in the budget for 5 or 6 months I guess.

Jeff, I get my glasses at Sam's club...no membership need to use Optical dept. or prescription Dept. {by law at least in NY} 

I got eye exam {partially on my medicare} and lined bifocals for $147.00 with a new set of frames this time.

I can't see without my glasses anyway, but I have learned to never put them anywhere stupid- my fault is putting them down while changing clothes and sitting on them! Or knocking them off the night stand and standing on them! Banged Head

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Posted by Paul W. Beverung on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 9:02 PM

Evening Gang: The right hand margin dissapeared again so I tryed the " compatibility " box in the tool bar and low and behole everything is normal. I have used the compatibility thing on the pages when the pages are so spread out but didn't think about using it when I post.

Jim the layout in MR is HO standard gauge. The beer line was a part of the Milwaukee Road. I use to live very near it and would get to see a many trains on it. It ran from North of Milwaukee all the way to downtown. A very interesting operation.

We moved into our finally finished master bed room today. John actually got the move done while Mary Ann and I were at the doctors. It is very nice and so large. John did a good job on it.

I finally got the last of the mesquite out of the field. One of the last plants had a tap root that went all the way across the 7 foot bucket of the loader. I hate to call the mesquites bushes since when they get full grown they are really big and tree like. When they are small they are more like bushes. Ether way they have the thorns. I've been very happly surprised to not have a flat on this job. I have the tire repair guy on speed dial if you know what I mean. He comes right out into the field and fixes the flat. No way I'm going to take off a rear tractor tire and haul it in.

Well I'm going to hit the sack and enjoy the new digs.

Good Night All

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Posted by JimRCGMO on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 9:23 PM

Evening, Chloe - I'll try a cup of that turkey soup Ray's talking about, please. Thanks!

Sawyer, I always heard that (unless one had dynamic brake fans and the other didn't - which varies from RR to RR), it was awfully hard to tell a GP7 from a GP9 without looking at the builders' plates. So you may not have to get a new shell after all. Best wishes on getting the layout and mini-layouts done. Thumbs Up

Sounds like everybody's having trouble with their (or friend's) cats lately - RT's getting a blowgun and tranquilizer darts for his li'l darlings, and Mark has a pre-trained napkin shredder on his hands. Shock Have the Diners' cats been chatting after their 'staff' are sleeping at night? I thought only Spring and Spooky and Remington were doing that, but maybe they've all started going online at night....Whistling

Ray, this soup is fantastic - my compliments! Bow Doesn't even make me think about a big ol' Tom turkey or hen from last Thursday, either. Wink

Flip, I thought maybe at work they were still giving you those split shifts like a while back, with the gap in the middle of the day. Hope things get straightened out on your hours before long. Yeah!!

Jeff, I like that tree you posted the photo of earlier today, too. On your glasses, do you have a Lions' Club in your area of Louisiana? I know around here, they're known for helping people get glasses. That, or Galaxy's suggestion could cut your costs down (and not have to cut out the MRR budget for as long).

Grrroooooannnnn!... Ray, it just hit me about your joke on the jazz musicians...That kind of bridge!Laugh

I'll finish up this cup of soup and then head for home. I'm ready for bedtime tonight (and I don't have any cats to wear me out, either). Prayers for a good night's sleep for all.


Blessings and prayers,

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Posted by JimRCGMO on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 9:47 PM

Duke - I almost forgot - you might check this website for possible parts numbers and diagrams for your loco:

http://www.hoseeker.org/
 

They have a lot of the older brands and instruction sheets, etc., so they may have IHC/Rivarossi (was that the brand?) in there somewhere. Hope that helps you some.

 

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Posted by Cederstrand on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 10:55 PM

Tall glass of cool lemon water, please & thanks.

***Jeffrey, hope your glasses somehow manage to turn up.

Long day, time to hit the hay. Night all. Cowboy Rob

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Posted by Cederstrand on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 12:50 AM

Insomnia...over tired I guess. While here I'll have some Chamomile tea, please. 

***Paul, CONGRATS on the finished master bedroom & no flat tires. Nice you have a guy who will come out into the field and fix those for you.

Our cat is having a wilding tonight. She uses my hand as a sparring partner. It's fun until she catches a claw in the corner of a fingernail or repunctured a previous hole she made. Her nice name is Millie, her various nicknames abound (Little Monster, Little Snake, Vamp Cat, Little Tiger, Tooth & Claw, etc...). She has access to my computer at night, so she might well join in the plotting cat talk after hours. I may never know.

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Posted by Hoople on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:06 AM

Evening all.

Just stopping in before bed. Sorry I haven't been in, all sorts of things going on nowadays... Oh, and just for an update, the divorce went through. Official as of Thanksgiving day. Planning was awesome on that one. Get officially divorced on Thanksgiving... At least the Cowboys demolished the Seahawks, eh? Good thing I'm an optimist, right?

On the train side of things, my FEF's decoder turns out to be too big... Won't fit in the slot provided in the boiler. I wish rivarossi would've been normal and put the plug in the tender... Now for another $25 on another bloody decoder. At least I'll have this one for my next engine. (probably a blueline mike) My modular group has the layout at the LHS now. Guess I'll go operate at some point, get to know it better. Haven't officially joined, but I've guest operated and I know the jist of things now.

On school, first trimester ended last week. I know my worst score is math, which is an all new low for me. 85.7%... God I hope the highschools won't take that badly. But I do know I have the highest in my class, which is a bit sad. Our new teacher is horrible, no one can connect with him and he doesn't explain things very well, and teaches on a college level. Not to mention there are some ruddy SoapBox at my school that will make fun of me for just about anything, even random things. They don't even care, and I really really wish I could take a swing at one of them... I would, but that would look bad for getting into highschool...

The fire is burning, and they're just dumping more logs on it.
This rant is over.

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Posted by wetidlerjr on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 4:36 AM

Good Morning from Tipton IN ! Big Smile

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Posted by LSWrr on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:44 AM
Good morning, Today: A slight chance of showers after 3pm. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 44. Windy, with a south wind 18 to 21 mph increasing to between 29 and 32 mph. Winds could gust as high as 43 mph. Chance of precipitation is 20%.

Tonight: Rain showers before 1am, then rain and snow showers between 1am and 4am, then snow showers after 4am. Low around 33. Windy, with a south wind 29 to 34 mph becoming west. Winds could gust as high as 45 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of less than one inch possible.


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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:53 AM

 Good morning.

It's 52 and partly cloudy. The high is expected to be in the low 70's and there's a chance of thunderstorms this evening.

Having a bit of a problem focusing on this due to eye strain so I'm having to type it in a little a at time. No luck on finding the glasses yesterday so I'll probably be going to Wal-Mart today to find a cheap pair of reading glasses so that I can at least read the forums a bit better and maybe see to do some detail work. You don't miss something until it's gone. How could I have been so stupid! Oh well, I'll just have to push on.

Today's Weather for:
Sundown, LA  71446-6114      12/3/2008


Wind Chill:  49°F
Humidity:  93%
Dew Point:  50°F

So Far Today
High:  52°F
Low:  46°F
Rain:  0.00"
Rain Rate:  0.00"/h
Gust:  10mph NNE

Today  High: 72    Partly cloudy until late afternoon then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs in the lower 70s. South winds 10 to 15 mph.

Tonight  Low: 48    Showers and thunderstorms likely. Lows in the upper 40s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph in the evening becoming northwest after midnight. Chance of rain 70 percent.

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Posted by GMTRacing on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:45 AM

Good Morning All,

     Right at freezing again with the usual overcast this morning. At least it looks like the sun will poke through later. I'll have a coffee and a hard roll please Zoe.

Jeff - I hate it when I lose or break my glasses. Mine take a beating here in the shop so I try to keep a pair of driving glasses on hand so I can at least drive to the optomotrists and get more (I have varifocus photograys now so no Walmarts to help out).

Mark - there are a whole bunch of people out there who like to pick on smart people. If you learn to ignore it you'll be a lot better off in the long run and yes it's especially bad in middle and high school where you have to be face to face with immature peers. If it escalates to what you think is bullying then you need to get adults involved but if it's just the usual verbal nonsense, developing selective deafness is probably the best course (can help later when you're married too Whistling).

Ray -- is the Finger Lakes Railroad the one that runs around Watkins Glen ? I saw evidence that the tracks up that way are being used again (polished rails - a dead giveaway) last year. Are there secic excursions or is it all just freight ? Inquiring (nosey) minds want to know.

Well time to get back to it and pick up tools. Prayers for those healing and in need.     CUL, J.R.

Oh boy - top of the page and breakfast time as well! Guess I can hang for a bit while the girls run the card through the machine to start the tab.

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Posted by pcarrell on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:53 AM

howmus
Had a couple rolls left over from the feast and the last of the Pumpkin Pie (sorry Philip). 

I can't believe you!

You'd better hide now, 'cause I'm gunnin' for ya!

OK, I'm just kidding!  I'd have nailed it myself if I'd have seen that!

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Posted by Cederstrand on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:10 AM

in a SOUTHERN mug, please & thanks.

Have a good day all.

Healing thoughts to those in need.

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Posted by howmus on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:13 AM

Mornin' everyone!

Flo I'll have my usual dark roast in a Finger Lakes Scenic Railway mug along with a nice bowl of raisin bran.  Yep gotta get back on the old diet.

A gray cloudy day here in the Finger Lakes this morning.  32°F with a high around 38° this afternoon.
 

GMTRacing
Ray -- is the Finger Lakes Railroad the one that runs around Watkins Glen ? I saw evidence that the tracks up that way are being used again (polished rails - a dead giveaway) last year. Are there secic excursions or is it all just freight ? Inquiring (nosey) minds want to know.

 

J.R. yep, the FGLK runs to Watkins Glen on the old PRR tracks.  They service a salt mine down there.  They do many passenger excursions as well.  As a matter of fact this time of year there is something almost every weekend.  They are very people friendly and go out of their way to make you feel welcome.  You can find out more about the line here: Finger Lakes Scenic Railway 

Philip sorry to take the last piece of pie on you, but I will be baking cookies next week for the baskets our Deacons take to shut-ins this time of year.  I'll save you some....Smile,Wink, & Grin

Have a great day! 

 

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Posted by SilverSpike on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:24 AM

Morning folks!

Drop in to say howdy and such and see what's fixin in the kitchen in the diner! Chef

Hope you all had a great Thanksgiving Holiday, I'm still playing catch-ups from being out for the extended weekend.

As promised, I have a report from the Great Smoky Mountain Railroad and it is posted on my Piedmont Division Blog site, click the link above for the full report, but to wet your palete here is a photo from the train museum's Lionel layout.

Museum Layout

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Posted by JimRCGMO on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 12:24 PM

Looks like a fairly slow morning in the Diner, Zoe. I'll have a bowl of chili, some grated cheese and onions, those oyster crackers, and a glass of milk, please 'n' Thank you, ma'am!

Ryan, enjoyed your GSMRR blog (and all the pics. Those GP9's (low or high nose) keep on going, don't they? Yeah!! Did Ben enjoy himself a lot on that?

Rob, wish you/your Dr. could figure how to help you get better sleep than you've been having lately. Kind of messes with the rest of your days when you don't get your night's sleep. AngelAngel going up for you.

PC, we know that you wouldn't miss a slice of pie if you knew it was there and could get to it. Smile,Wink, & Grin

Jeff, did you get yourself some temporary 'eyes' yet today? Don't want you getting your eyes strained and having a headache from that.

Mark/Hoople, I'd agree with what JR said about dealing with the bullies/jerks/SoapBox...Keep your school work on track so you get to high school (and maybe some of those bullies will wind up dropping out - or get in trouble with the juvenile authorities and get moved elsewhere?).

I still have to get my Christmas tree and decorations put up at home. Might do that tonight. I'd like to figure how to have my battery-powered under-the-tree train to run without jumping the track on the curves... Wonder if I could have someone who knows more about electronics to wire a resistor or something in to lower the power to the motor on the loco. I may ask our electronics guru and layour design architect Kevin when I see him at the MRR club dinner-n-train-running this Saturday.

I've also been debating about having Kevin DCC-ize one of my diesels so I can use it to run when we're running trains at one of the club members' house, since they all have DCC on their layouts (those who have a layout built, that is). But the minimum DCC system from Digitrax is way beyond my budget for now (until I maybe get a tax refund next year and put that with some money from a paycheck).

Zoe, I'll be w**king on polishing off my chili at the window booth until someone else comes in.

 

Blessings,

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Posted by bjdukert on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:21 PM
JimCG   Got the part number and now all I need to do is find out if one of the LHS’s in the area can order it for me. In the mean time I will give Garry’s fix a try as soon as I find the size of nut and screw he mentioned. Thanks

Duke

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Posted by Cox 47 on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:43 PM

Afternoon...Its a cloudy gloomy day here with a light cold rain...I'll have a cup of hot tea...I am a little under the weather didn't sleep well and can't seem to nap today..Dr. sent me some new Meds...I ran the new track cleaning car but thats been just about it..I'll take my tea and slip over to back booth...You all have a good one...Jerry

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Posted by sleeper33 on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 4:13 PM

Good evening all

 I'll have a nice mug of char please girls

well in Gavs world its dark and getting cold but dry all the cherubs are out at Propaganda tonight so will be blasted when they get back. got to change 1 waggon and 3 cabooses over to knuckle couplers so keeping busy.

well thats all for now I'll be at the counter if anybody wants me

 

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 5:27 PM

 I went to Wal-Mart this morning to the grocery shopping for the perishable good. 1 box of chicken, 8 Totino's pizzas, 5 $1 Mexican dinners, 7 of those little $1 Banquet dinners, 2 packs of sliced ham for sandwiches, 1 box of fish sticks, 2 packs of chimichangas, 2 jars of sliced olives (love my sliced olives), 1 loaf of jalapeno and cheese bread and 2 packs of cheese. Picked up a cheap pair of bifocal reading glasses while I was there. The bottom parts for reading and the top parts just regular glass. After I got home my father gave me a check for $74 to go to Wal-Mart tomorrow morning at 9:30 for an eye exam. Surprised me! Usually he's so tight with money he squeaks when he walks. My niece says she know of a place online where I can get my glasses cheap. I just need a current prescription. Worked on the car a bit today. I took the EGR valve off and removed the valves base from the engine. There was a lot of carbon fouling and one of the three holes in the base was completely plugged. I knocked it out and scraped it clean with a screw driver blade then did the same with the mounting port on the engine, being very careful not to scratch it. I reassembled it then spent the next hour inspecting vacuum lines. Not my idea of fun. I found one that had a break in it and taped it up real tight with electrical tape. I thought maybe that was it but it wasn't. It runs somewhat better but is still choppy when I step on it. When I let off it takes off like a bat out of hades. I also took a serious look at the plug wires. Seems like it's been running a bit worse since those new wires were put on a week ago. They're radio-suppression wires. I've never used those type before. On a hunch I took them off and reinstalled the old wires. They're high temp, high performance. Much better! I'm still leaning toward the catalytic converter being part of the problem. I've already drilled one hole the as big a round as my thumb (and I have a BIG thumb) ahead of the converter. Maybe I need to drill another one and see if that improves things any. I may have time for that this weekend.

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Posted by GMTRacing on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 5:31 PM

Good Evening All,

    Getting ready to head out after another long day. Been a quiet day at the diner but not at the shop. Got the rotisserie started so we can more easily paint the formula car frames, and most of the car due next week is ready to assemble. Just need the rest back from paint and we can get after it. Catch y'all later,  J.R.

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:00 PM

Hello everyone. We were out of town(my wife and I) at some friends and already started on the Xmas dinner rounds. Of course that also means come back with barrels of stuff and...Whistling

GMT; how many frames do you do at a time? Hopefully no one has to become an octopuss to do the painting...

I'm going to find some pix and see if some of them actually came out this time....Wink

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Packers#1 on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:03 PM

JimRCGMO

Sawyer, I always heard that (unless one had dynamic brake fans and the other didn't - which varies from RR to RR), it was awfully hard to tell a GP7 from a GP9 without looking at the builders' plates. So you may not have to get a new shell after all. Best wishes on getting the layout and mini-layouts done. Thumbs Up

While my GP9 does not have dynamic brakes, it still would be getting a new shell anyways, b/c of how bad I screwed it up with that spray paint crud. However, after reading Gerry's article for the build a scene contest, my juices are flowing on my 4x8 again, so might not get around to this thing for a while, lol.

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:14 PM

I seem to have sstttrrretttccchhed my post a bit. OOOPPS.

Sawyer; The layout is so full of possibilities it will definitely make for a lot of scene developments.... As for new body for GP9 I can remember a few specimens of my own. I have a kind of 'black museum' of painting disasters sitting in a rubble pile behind the engine house...

Any argument carried far enough will end up in Semantics--Hartz's law of rhetoric Emerald. Leemer and Southern The route of the Sceptre Express Barry

I just started my blog site...more stuff to come...

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Posted by rtraincollector on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:23 PM

Okay lets see if I can hide these pies from PC there for the Sunday dinner . Flo I'm putting them in the back bottom shelf no one ever looks down there for anything. lets see 1 chocolate merrange, 1 lemon merrange, 1 banana cream, and 2 apple 1 dutch and 1 lace.

Not much else happening just taking it easy.

Talk to you all later

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