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Kitbashing a C&O tender

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Kitbashing a C&O tender
Posted by 4-6-6-4 Challenger on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:50 PM

Has anyone ever done this?  I have tried to find tenders that look some what like it but cant find anything the looks close.  I am going to buy some large articulated loco's but the only one that is already numbered and letter is the 2-6-6-6.  I am looking at getting a few 2-8-8-2, 2-6-6-2 but they dont have the write tenders so I will need to kitbash them.  I also understand I will need to do some kitbashing on the 2-8-8-2 and 2-6-6-2 to make them look like a C&O Loco.

I am trying to model one like the big articulated C&O locomotives had.  Like on the 2-6-6-6.

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Posted by fmilhaupt on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:33 AM

The 2-6-6-6 (Allegheny) had a unique tender that wasn't used by anything else, so the only source for that would be another Allegheny model.

What a lot of us have had to do for a heavy-ish tender is to find loose Rivarossi/AHM tenders, such as they put behind their Berkshires. I've found them at train shows, and they show up on eBay from time to time. For articulateds and heavy Mikados, they can stand to have the upper portion of the coal bunker either flattened somewhat or straightened.

Now, the C&O 2-6-6-2s all had fairly short tenders, matching those sold by Bachmann. All of the photos I've seen of 2-6-6-2s on the C&O have shown them with four-axle tenders (either rectangular or Vanderbilt). Bachmann sells (sold?) the "shorty" four-axle vanderbilt tender separately.

Some of the H7 and H7a 2-8-8-2s ran with the "shorty" Vanderbilt tender, though they also ran with the longer Vanderbilt tender similar to the one that Rivarossi used with its C&O Pacific. And some of them even ran with the rectangular tender similar to the one the heavy Mikes used.

 

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Posted by doctorwayne on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:01 AM

I'm not sure if they're available separately yet, but the tender from the Bachmann Berkshire would be a good alternative to the Rivarossi ones.  Bachmann sells most of their tenders separately, and they can also be had without the circuit board, if it's not required for your intended use.

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Posted by twhite on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:10 PM

Kyle--

Don't know if this will help or not, but a lot of the C&O 2-6-6-2's I've seen have the standard USRA 4-wheel truck tenders, which is what the Spectrum USRA 2-6-6-2 has.  Or were you thinking of Vanderbuilt tenders?  I know that C&O was a pretty big user of that type--their H-7 2-8-8-2's had them (though I don't think exclusively).   Some of them looked a lot longer in the tank than normal.  From the photos I've seen of C&O steam power, they probably did a lot of 'switching' out of tenders, much like Southern Pacific, so that the tender assigned to a locomotive was not necessarily the tender it arrived with from the builder. 

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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:17 PM

Regretably kit-bashing a Proto2K/BLI 2-8-8-2 into an H-7 is not a realistic possibility.  The H-7 was a design unique to the C&O.  It's driver arrangement, size, length, width, running gear, dome placements etc etc were different from the Y class that Walthers/BLI sells.

 

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Posted by 4-6-6-4 Challenger on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:14 PM
Thanks guys for the responds.  It sounds like if I would have done a bit more reseach I would have figured out that they already make the tenders and the 2-6-6-2 and 2-8-8-2 didnt have tenders like the 2-6-6-6's.  Thanks.
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Posted by C&O 2-6-6-6 on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:20 PM
 DigitalGriffin wrote:

Regretably kit-bashing a Proto2K/BLI 2-8-8-2 into an H-7 is not a realistic possibility.  The H-7 was a design unique to the C&O.  It's driver arrangement, size, length, width, running gear, dome placements etc etc were different from the Y class that Walthers/BLI sells.

 

It is not imposible there is an example of a 2-8-8-2 that has been modified.  This is not my model I only wish.

Here is a prototype photo.

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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:25 PM
 CO2666 wrote:

It is not imposible there is an example of a 2-8-8-2 that has been modified.  This is not my model I only wish.

You sure this isn't brass?  I know they made them in brass.

If not, I would love to see what he went through to get it this way.

 

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Posted by C&O 2-6-6-6 on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:29 PM
I found the picture on google while seaching for Phototype photos of C&O locomotives.  Seach  2-8-8-2 C&O on google and it is on the first page.
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Posted by railandsail on Monday, August 14, 2017 1:22 PM

Does anyone have a drawing of an H7?

Here is a subject thread where I was adapting a Bachman vandy tender to run behind an H7 kitbash,....with sound/DCC installation.
http://www.modelrailroadforums.com/forum/showthread.php?27672-Adapt-Bachmann-Vandy-Tenders-to-Run-Behind-Other-Engines

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 14, 2017 4:39 PM

railandsail

Does anyone have a drawing of an H7?

Here is a subject thread where I was adapting a Bachman vandy tender to run behind an H7 kitbash,....with sound/DCC installation.
http://www.modelrailroadforums.com/forum/showthread.php?27672-Adapt-Bachmann-Vandy-Tenders-to-Run-Behind-Other-Engines

 

Possibly the C&O Railroad Historical Society?

https://cohs.org/

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Posted by JOHN C TARANTO on Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:50 AM

fmilhaupt

 What a lot of us have had to do for a heavy-ish tender is to find loose Rivarossi/AHM tenders, such as they put behind their Berkshires. I've found them at train shows, and they show up on eBay from time to time. For articulateds and heavy Mikados, they can stand to have the upper portion of the coal bunker either flattened somewhat or straightened.

 

 

When I bashed/detailed a BLI heavy mikado, I replaced the short USRA 8-wheel tender with a 12-wheel C&O/NKP style from Rivarossi.  I know that the water hatches are wrong for the New York Central, but it works for me!

 

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Posted by oldline1 on Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:41 AM

NJCB did a paperback book covering the H-7's. It has drawings and all the information you would need.

Making an N&W Y-3 or Y-6 into an H-7 would be more work than anyone I know would try. About the only commonality is they both used steam and were the same wheel arrangement. The H-7 was a "simple" articulated and the Y's were compound engines with capability of operating as simple engines.

H-7 models were made in HO brass by NJCB, Overland and Challenger. I believe the rectangular tender was a unique design to the H-7 class and not like the H-8 or K-4 classes.

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Posted by ATSFGuy on Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:05 PM

Those "Vanderbuilt" style tenders used by C&O were also used by B&O, GN, CN, GTW, SP, and UP.

It's too bad SF never used them, or they didn't need to?

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