i was wondering if the lifelike bridge and trestle set wich is ment fir standered track can be used with powerlock track. heres what im talking about.
http://walthers.com/exec/productinfo/433-8202
any answers are apreshated.
Two things: First, 7th grade or not, you might want to really make an effort to correct your spelling mistakes before you post a question. There is a spell checking tool in MS word (if you have that program) and there are some online ones you can use as well. I'm not trying to be a teacher or a spelling "rivet counter" but realize that your words represent you. I don't understand why people are okay with plastering misspellings and trying to justify it by making some disclaimer that will supposedly make us turn a blind eye.
Second, this is in regards to your original question. The item you linked (http://walthers.com/exec/productinfo/433-8202) is indeed meant for standard track. If you want to use it with the powerlock track, which I assume is like EZ track, you'll have to go about it in a different way. The trestles leading up to the bridge are designed to fit around the plastic ties of sectional snap track (no molded on roadbed). The powerlock track with the roadbed is too wide for the bridge trestles. If I were you, I'd probably use the powerlock track up to the point of where the first lowest trestle meets the top of the powerlock roadbed. Then I would use regular snap track with the bridge/trestle set as it was meant to be used.
TONY
"If we never take the time, how can we ever have the time." - Merovingian (Matrix Reloaded)
If these trestles are the same ones I'm thinking of, they slide on to the ties from the end of the track section. So, unless the ties are exposed, these trestles won't work very well for you. It would be possible to cut off the clips and put them under the track, but then you would probably have to glue the whole structure together to get it stable enough to run trains on.
These aren't realistic, anyway. There is no bridge structure between the trestle bents, just the track and ties. So, you're not missing much. To make a good-looking trestle bridge, you need some sort of bridge deck between the supports.
Yes, it's a lot more work to build a nice one, but many modellers have built their own, either from pre-made trestle bents (the vertical parts are called "bents") or from strip wood and glue.
Give it a try. You've got the enthusiasm, so all you need now is patience and practice.
It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse.
BNSF--
It won't work well on the EZ track unless you glue the trestles to the bottom of the track. Or, as Mr.Beasley said, substituting Snap-Track for the trestle section. Unfortunately, the weight of the train passing over the un-supported Snap-Track will cause the sections to sag after a while, probably de-railing your train. None of these 'over and under' instant trestles work very well unless you're just going to use them to plan out a permanent layout. If I were you, I'd invest in some WS foam 'risers' to accomplish the same thing, especially if you're planning a permanent layout. WS makes the risers in 2,3, and 4% grades, and though they're a little more expensive than the trestle set (but probably not my much), they'll work a lot better under your EZ track.
Just a suggestion
Tom
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ok i think i might go with the ws risers. would anyone know if the risers some up enogh for a train to pass under? and if a packenge includes the risers for it to go up and back down?
YOUR L.L. trestle set is not designed for track with roadbed. You are trying to meld two 'beginner's products together. One has to give way - at least where the trestle is concerned.
ALL Atlas track (without roadbed) would solve your problem. 'Speling'. is another mater.
You'll probably have to buy two WS riser sets, one up and one down. It's going to depend on how much room you have on your layout as to which grade per-cent you need. The 2% is going to take the largest amount of room to rise to 4" (which will clear your lower track okay), the 4% is going to take the least amount, but the grade will be pretty stiff. Actually, I think the trestle sets are about a 4% grade anyway, so again, it depends on what amount of space you're using for your layout.
My granddaughter, who is in the fourth grade, has a better understanding of the rules of capitalization, spelling, and punctuation. While it is easy to attack the obvious lack of literacy of this young lad, I would like to put it in perspective.
The people who read the evening news in most cities do not seem to understand that our language differentiates among past, present, and future tense.
The President of the United States of America can't pronounce nuclear.
That said, I propose that a solution would be to build a ramp, rather than use those trestles.
Dave
Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow
The OP's sig line suggests he has no intention of improving his spelling, since he's trying to excuse it by saying he's young. (His grammar needs help, too.)
This is a shame, since he doesn't seem to understand that, when the written word is what 'represents' you (as on this board), and you don't care enough to spell correctly, you're asking to be taken less than seriously.
Midnight Railroader wrote: This is a shame, since he doesn't seem to understand that, when the written word is what 'represents' you (as on this board), and you don't care enough to spell correctly, you're asking to be taken less than seriously.
He should be taken seriously:
i think we should shoot the speculators and make the oil companies drop the price of oil to 50$ a barrel.
13 year olds who think problems can be solved with guns deserve special attention.
Been Nothing Since Frisco wrote:going up i should be fine but coming down i dont have 8'
You should re-visit your track plan, then. On a layout I had a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, I could only run my trains clockwise around the loop for just that reason - I had reasonable grades going one way, and insane slopes the other. Build your layout and work on your track until the trains can run either way, every time, and you will be much happier.
One trick you can try to get over/under in less space is to raise one track while lowering the other. This is going to be a bit more complicated than simply using trestles or WS risers for your inclines, but it's an option to consider.
this description might be a little veug.
what i have right now i an oval with 22" radius and two 9" straights what i plan on doing is taking out the 2 straights on one side and right as it comes of the turn it starts into anouther loop the first half being 22" and the other 20" ( witch i'll make by alternating 22 and 18) the s curve back to the termanel. i wish i could figuer how to get a pic on here so i could show you.
Been Nothing Since Frisco wrote: this description might be a little veug.
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Been Nothing Since Frisco wrote:this description might be a little veug.what i have right now i an oval with 22" radius and two 9" straights what i plan on doing is taking out the 2 straights on one side and right as it comes of the turn it starts into anouther loop the first half being 22" and the other 20" ( witch i'll make by alternating 22 and 18) the s curve back to the termanel. i wish i could figuer how to get a pic on here so i could show you.
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Been Nothing Since Frisco wrote:I was wondering if the Lifelike bridge and trestle set wich is meant for standard track can be used with powerlock track. Here's what I'm talking about.http://walthers.com/exec/productinfo/433-8202 Any answers are appreciated.
I was wondering if the Lifelike bridge and trestle set wich is meant for standard track can be used with powerlock track. Here's what I'm talking about.
Any answers are appreciated.
Autobus Prime wrote: Been Nothing Since Frisco wrote: I was wondering if the Lifelike bridge and trestle set wich is meant for standard track can be used with powerlock track. Here's what I'm talking about.http://walthers.com/exec/productinfo/433-8202 Any answers are appreciated.Other folks:I think spelling is important, but I don't think we need to make a federal case out of it. Remember, the schools aren't teaching 'em the way they did before. With phonics, you got a set of rules that fit many cases - granted, not consistently, but it was better than no rules. Today they teach grammar as "whole language", which apparently means that every word is considered in utter isolation, so poor spelling of unfamiliar words has become common. Stupid experts!Anyway, as for silly sig statements, well, we were all 13 once, and some of us remember saying lots of things before the media latched on to a few cases, publicized them, and induced paranoia. They do that a lot. A final point I should make is that engineers have to have the worst spelling on Earth. I don't know how many drawings I've looked at with words like "searations" and "innermitent".
Been Nothing Since Frisco wrote: I was wondering if the Lifelike bridge and trestle set wich is meant for standard track can be used with powerlock track. Here's what I'm talking about.http://walthers.com/exec/productinfo/433-8202 Any answers are appreciated.
Autobus:
Very well put, sir. And very true as to current teaching methods.
Unfortunately, some people would rather come down on a 13-year old for his grammar, rather than help him find a solution to his model railroading problem. This is not, I think, the way to encourage new people into the hobby.
twhite wrote: Autobus Prime wrote: Been Nothing Since Frisco wrote: I was wondering if the Lifelike bridge and trestle set wich is meant for standard track can be used with powerlock track. Here's what I'm talking about.http://walthers.com/exec/productinfo/433-8202 Any answers are appreciated.Other folks:I think spelling is important, but I don't think we need to make a federal case out of it. Remember, the schools aren't teaching 'em the way they did before. With phonics, you got a set of rules that fit many cases - granted, not consistently, but it was better than no rules. Today they teach grammar as "whole language", which apparently means that every word is considered in utter isolation, so poor spelling of unfamiliar words has become common. Stupid experts!Anyway, as for silly sig statements, well, we were all 13 once, and some of us remember saying lots of things before the media latched on to a few cases, publicized them, and induced paranoia. They do that a lot. A final point I should make is that engineers have to have the worst spelling on Earth. I don't know how many drawings I've looked at with words like "searations" and "innermitent".Autobus: Very well put, sir. And very true as to current teaching methods. Unfortunately, some people would rather come down on a 13-year old for his grammar, rather than help him find a solution to his model railroading problem. This is not, I think, the way to encourage new people into the hobby. Tom
BTW i think this a modle railroading site/forums not a grammar/spelling correction center.
ps when i spelt for with an i, that was a typo, not a spelling mistake.
Been Nothing Since Frisco wrote: twhite wrote: Autobus Prime wrote: Been Nothing Since Frisco wrote: I was wondering if the Lifelike bridge and trestle set wich is meant for standard track can be used with powerlock track. Here's what I'm talking about.http://walthers.com/exec/productinfo/433-8202 Any answers are appreciated.Other folks:I think spelling is important, but I don't think we need to make a federal case out of it. Remember, the schools aren't teaching 'em the way they did before. With phonics, you got a set of rules that fit many cases - granted, not consistently, but it was better than no rules. Today they teach grammar as "whole language", which apparently means that every word is considered in utter isolation, so poor spelling of unfamiliar words has become common. Stupid experts!Anyway, as for silly sig statements, well, we were all 13 once, and some of us remember saying lots of things before the media latched on to a few cases, publicized them, and induced paranoia. They do that a lot. A final point I should make is that engineers have to have the worst spelling on Earth. I don't know how many drawings I've looked at with words like "searations" and "innermitent".Autobus: Very well put, sir. And very true as to current teaching methods. Unfortunately, some people would rather come down on a 13-year old for his grammar, rather than help him find a solution to his model railroading problem. This is not, I think, the way to encourage new people into the hobby. Tom BTW i think this a modle railroading site/forums not a grammar/spelling correction center.ps when i spelt for with an i, that was a typo, not a spelling mistake.
steinjr wrote: Been Nothing Since Frisco wrote: this description might be a little veug.what i have right now i an oval with 22" radius and two 9" straights what i plan on doing is taking out the 2 straights on one side and right as it comes of the turn it starts into anouther loop the first half being 22" and the other 20" ( witch i'll make by alternating 22 and 18) the s curve back to the termanel. i wish i could figuer how to get a pic on here so i could show you. Find a place to store images on the web, e.g: 1) Register for a free image album somewhere - say www.photobucket.com Make an image somehow, e.g.: 2) Draw a sketch - use paper and a pen w/a ruler and a compass if you don't have software 3) Make a jpg image - e.g. by taking a picture with a digital camera - upload to your PC 4) Use the upload function on the photobucket web page to upload image to web Post link in this forum to picture stored on the web: 5) Copy URL address to picture (jpg file) from photobucket 6) When posting here, click on "image" (little icon w/tree when editing post) 7) Paste URL to picture in dialog box here and click on insert Stein
Been Nothing Since Frisco wrote: this description might be a little veug.what i have right now i an oval with 22" radius and two 9" straights what i plan on doing is taking out the 2 straights on one side and right as it comes of the turn it starts into anouther loop the first half being 22" and the other 20" ( witch i'll make by alternating 22 and 18) the s curve back to the termanel. i wish i could figuer how to get a pic on here so i could show you.
i tried that and all i get is a little box with a red x
If you have track with roadbed, forget the trestle and risers. Install a 90o 'crossing' instead.
Going 'UP AND OVER' may look like fun, but it is an unessesary cause of problems: (1) 4" in 4 feet is a 10% grade, and on a 4X8 is (2) strictly 'amateur'. So why does L.L. sell it? A. to get your money.
I planned a 2% up and over that required 10 feet (I had 8). Elevation changes require 'transition' & takes an addition. I decided dropping 2" wasn't worth it - besides I moved.
A crossing will work in your space, if Bachmann makes one, otherwise an Atlas can be used with cork for roadbed. It's also a good place to put a switchman's interlocking tower.
There's no need to encourage him into the hobby since he's already in the hobby. As bad as current teaching methods may be, justifying his spelling and grammatical errors is not encouraging him to strive for improvement in these areas. With the tools available out there, spell checkers, I don't see why he can't just simply copy his text into a word processor and let the "dumb" computer correct his mistakes.
Other than a recommendation on how he should go about correcting his spelling, I also offered an idea on how he could have used the trestle with his type of track.
Been Nothing Since Frisco wrote: steinjr wrote: Been Nothing Since Frisco wrote:i wish i could figuer how to get a pic on here so i could show you. Find a place to store images on the web, e.g: 1) Register for a free image album somewhere - say www.photobucket.com Make an image somehow, e.g.: 2) Draw a sketch - use paper and a pen w/a ruler and a compass if you don't have software 3) Make a jpg image - e.g. by taking a picture with a digital camera - upload to your PC 4) Use the upload function on the photobucket web page to upload image to web Post link in this forum to picture stored on the web: 5) Copy URL address to picture (jpg file) from photobucket 6) When posting here, click on "image" (little icon w/tree when editing post) 7) Paste URL to picture in dialog box here and click on insert Stein i tried that and all i get is a little box with a red x
steinjr wrote: Been Nothing Since Frisco wrote:i wish i could figuer how to get a pic on here so i could show you. Find a place to store images on the web, e.g: 1) Register for a free image album somewhere - say www.photobucket.com Make an image somehow, e.g.: 2) Draw a sketch - use paper and a pen w/a ruler and a compass if you don't have software 3) Make a jpg image - e.g. by taking a picture with a digital camera - upload to your PC 4) Use the upload function on the photobucket web page to upload image to web Post link in this forum to picture stored on the web: 5) Copy URL address to picture (jpg file) from photobucket 6) When posting here, click on "image" (little icon w/tree when editing post) 7) Paste URL to picture in dialog box here and click on insert Stein
Been Nothing Since Frisco wrote:i wish i could figuer how to get a pic on here so i could show you.
i wish i could figuer how to get a pic on here so i could show you.
Just curious - how do you figure people will be able to tell which of the steps above you botched based on the information you gave above (that the end result didn't work) ?
Pure guess - common beginner's errors:
- you did not copy/paste the link to the image file, so you typed in the name wrong (like .jpg instead of .JPG)
- converse - you pasted the link, but you got the http: part twice in the insert image box
- you uploaded an image in the wrong format (say .tif instead of .jpg),
- you posted a link to a web page (ending in .html) instead of a link to an image (ending in .jpg).
Try to post your image again in a reply to this post - leave the image in your post, so it is possible to see what you did and help you.
Been Nothing Since Frisco wrote:it looks like i dont have the room for ws risers even at 4% so i got a new track plan lets see this is the 2nd one i've had to scrap
It is fairly normal to scrap the first couple of dozen track plans as you work your way towards something you can start building.
And then you improvise some while building, anyways - think of it as part and parcel of model railroading.
With model railroading, a lot of the hobby for a lot of people is not about "the goal" - it is about "the road" - ie rearching, learning, trying, discarding things that don't work, trying something else, perfecting and so on and so forth.
Btw - good call to change your signature. Very likely not what you had intended to signal, but your old signature seem to have come across to several people (including me) as roughly "I am not going to bother to even try to improve the quality of my posts - in your face, bud!".
I think we all probably would do well to remember that when we post questions, we are really asking other humans to donate of their time to help us. Time is a finite resource for all humans - we only get so much, and there is no lack of other things to spend our time on for all of us.
So I try to spend more of my own time working over my posts before I post, instead of expecting others to spend more than necessary of their time figuring out what I really meant, to ask me about things I should have included in my first post and so on and so forth.
Just this little reply took me about 10 minutes, and 4-5 previews before I felt it said roughly what I wanted to say. Of course - some of that is because English is not my native language - my primary language is Norwegian.
Spending more time on working over a post before I click on "post" works for me. Your mileage may vary.
Have fun with your model railroading!
I did every thing the way you told me, i'm on the computer at my house now so I'll try it agin. This has http:// twice and .jpd at the end.