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HOW TO SAVE $$ IN TOUGH TIMES LIKE THIS
Posted by grayfox1119 on Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:05 AM

With inflation rising rapidly most of us are finding it increasingly difficult to make ends meet. And when this begins to effect our MRR hobby spending $$, we need to become more resourceful. Lets not let this thread go down a rat hole like the previous one that was locked this morning. Rather, lets see how constructive and creative we all can be at listing some ideas on how to gain more $$ for our hobby needs. And please, don't rap someone else's ideas, if you don't agree, just move on and list your own ideas.

Here are some of the things that I have done. I am retired and on fixed income, so what I have done may not be appropriate for others.

  1.  Increased air pressure in tires to 34 lbs for better mileage, the LHS is 14 miles away.
  2. I keep my speed to 60mph on freeway with autopilot. Big savings over doing 65 or 70mph, anticipate stops, and no jack rabbit starts at the lights saves more gas.
  3. Collect all the bottles and cans that are returnable, use $ for MRR.
  4. Planted a larger veggie garden, we will freeze and can more this year to save on food bill.
  5. Buy more kits, they are cheaper.
  6. Sold the Pellet stove because Pellet cost per ton is rising every year, we bought a Jotul wood stove because we have 6 acres of hardwood and we have a log splitter, no hard work swinging a maul. Money saved on fuel cost helps my MRR budget. Cut oil use from 850 gallons a year to 540 last year.
  7. Changed every light bulb in the house to CF's. Electric bill has dropped $4.25 on avaerage per month.
  8. Dry cloths in utility room hanger lines instead of dryer. Big savings here.
  9. Planted more shade trees around the house, AC runs less in Summer, more savings on Electric bill, more $$ for MRR budget.
  10. Plan shopping trips with our ONE family car instead of multiple trips days apart to same locations.
  11. Buy MRR supples only when on sale.
  12. Consider a swap list, for instance, I have a Monon BL2 that does not fit into my B&M/New England scheme unless I re-letter it, but would swap for a New England RR item that I wanted.
  13. I replaced several light switches in rooms that get a lot of traffic with auto ON/OFF switches. Saves on electric bill from lights being on with no one in room.
  14. The wife clips food coupons from many sources, this can save $20 to $30 a week on food bill, more MRR money.
  15. Have 3 solar panels on roof for domestic hot water, BIG savings on utility bill.

Of course there are many more things that can be added by all of you guys, you are a very creative, intelligent group from what I have witnessed over that years on this forum. So lets be positive thinking, and see what else we can add to the list, we all can gain from better ideas.

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Posted by 2-8-8-0 on Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:09 AM

Two words. Ramen Noodles!  Dead [xx(]

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Posted by lvanhen on Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:52 AM
 2-8-8-0 wrote:

Two words. Ramen Noodles!  Dead [xx(]

Tim

Look at the sodium content of those things - high blood pressure here you come!!!!Dead [xx(]

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Posted by loathar on Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:52 AM
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Speak for yourselves....the Canadian Economy is very, very strong.

David B

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Posted by Last Chance on Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:59 AM

Quit trying to commute 60 miles to work.

We did just that several years ago and that has saved us 500+ dollars per month already; actually about a thousand dollars a month plus parking fees etc.

Start a budget, know how much to spend each month.

Make one trip to walmart for everything that month. Make a list and stick to it. For example I know we consume 6 rolls of paper towels per month, every 30 days.

Stop going to the hobby shop far away, start using the internet to get items shipped to you.

Finally but not last, create a savings account for 6 months to one years total funds and make it happen. For example, if you spend a thousand dollars each month on everything then start putting aside 3 thousand, then 6 then 9 and so on. Before you know it you have sufficient funds to ride out any problem for a long time.

That recent 1200 stimulus check? Straight into our savings to rot until tax time next year.

It might have to cost you your beer, smokes and fishing boat... all of that is wasteful and drains your funds.

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Posted by csxns on Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:07 AM
Eat Pinto Beans Dinner [dinner]

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Posted by BRAKIE on Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:18 AM

 csxns wrote:
Eat Pinto Beans Dinner [dinner]

With cornbread and a thick slice of Baloney..YUMMY!

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Simple..For my needs I  avoid both full price hobby shops and buy at the best on line discount..I also only buy what I need instead of buying simply because I like it.Oddly some months I have hobby dollars left over and then of course the month could end up in the "red"  as well depending on if I need any of the new releases from Athearn or Atlas.

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Posted by Autobus Prime on Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:29 AM
Folks:

General tip: You can keep a relatively well-insulated house comfortable without A/C. Temperatures always drop at night, usually a lot. Put box fans in several windows. Install ceiling fans in the rooms. Now, turn the box fans on in late, late evening after sundown. All night, they will blow in cool air. In the morning, turn them off and leave them off all day. Use the ceiling fans to provide cooling breezes in the house. You will find that the house usually stays quite comfortable.



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Posted by LudwigVonDrake on Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:38 AM
 davidmbedard wrote:

Speak for yourselves....the Canadian Economy is very, very strong.

David B

I did'nt know the Loonie was doing so well. Big Smile [:D] Any chance of sending some of that stability back to the Motherland? Tongue [:P]

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Posted by loathar on Saturday, June 28, 2008 1:28 PM

As I was standing at the kitchen sink waiting two minutes for the hot water to heat up I thought, Hmmm...One of those instant hot water heaters that mount under the sink would be a good idea. They only use energy on demand and your not wasting water waiting for it to heat up. I remember seeing them 20 years ago and thought they were a joke, but these days they make a little more sense.
Anyone have any experience with these?

Last Chance-Unfortunately, many people living in rural areas are forced to make 60 mile(or more) commutes to work because that's where the jobs are.

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Posted by Last Chance on Saturday, June 28, 2008 2:34 PM

Consider the 60 mile commute scenario.

We had a govt job in a nice cushy agency filled with money, benefits etc. Gas is or was about 400 dollars per month, per car. Both of us went down there, me to my work and wife to hers.

Total gas cost at the time 800 dollars per month. Commute time about an hour and change subject to traffic which is particularly bad in the morning requiring horsepower and big brakes.

That was then. We took home x dollars per year of income and filed taxes etc... years go by with little change and increasing maintaince to now worn out cars. They just dont make em like they used to.

We commute less than 15 miles now to work that offers the benefits we need with a annual income of slightly less.. ok, half the govt job. However that 15 mile commute takes place on lonely two lane state roads early in the afternoon while everyone else was racing home the other way. and vice versa in the morning. Basically we swapped day to night.

Our brake work has dropped to zero and became years between brake shops, our engines last longer and perform better at least 30 miles to gallon. We drive about 350 miles each week every 7 days and require the car to do at least that much with a 50 mile reserve on our tank. Trips are planned weeks in advance to fit within that mileage limit.

That work commute at 15 miles or so one way is a durn sight cheaper than the big 60 miler.

The savings of gasoline for parking one vehicle and using less gas per week for both of our work is much more than the loss of the nice government salary and 7 dollar/hour blue collar work downtown. We were slaving away slapping 500-700 miles a week on BOTH vehicles with horrendous gas bills each month. That was then.

Yes we gave up the good job downtown but we gained so much spending power as to eliminate credit card bills and take on additional projects. We are still broke but if all the jobs vanished and we only had the two bit mc-job (Try competing against hundreds of graduating teens for that work) we can still make it happen on time, under budget and for less gas each month.

That is our defense in bad times which are upon us. The only bill that matters is the utilities, student loan and the vehicles. That's it. Everything else related to waste, debt or unhealthy consumption eliminated.

Yes the paycheck will only be 250 net after taxes and benefits for that little commute a short distance away. So much better than that bloated govt check of 600-850 net per week with hundreds of expense required to make it. UGH.

Dont get me started with trucking. It takes 10 dollars now to make a buck.

There is one new development here in my own work. In my part time work, I need to work about 3 hours to pay the gas commute there in the work day.

Should gas exceed 5.00 per gallon, I will have to stop working for that employer at that location and go to a much closer work in the same area within a few miles of home. There I know I can keep going for the same pay and hardly any gas.

The employer knows that they will need to provide me with additional hours (Already maxed out) OR provide me with a 30% payroll raise (Already maxed out) to keep me employed at that workplace. That isnt going to happen. Can you imagine a workforce inflation in wages so everyone can get to work and stay there?

What worries me is Society's desire to fly down the left hand lane at 100+ mph in dual pickup trucks in thier anger and rage while late to thier jobs. What is going to become of us all when things really start to get bad.

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Posted by HarryHotspur on Saturday, June 28, 2008 2:42 PM
I've been on the brink of trading in my 1966 Lincoln (along with its 4 mpg and 1 quart of oil per tank of gas consumption) for years, but I just can't bring myself to part with it. Besides, it's so much fun to drive to Green rallies in it. Smile [:)]

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Posted by 2-8-8-0 on Saturday, June 28, 2008 3:01 PM
 lvanhen wrote:
 2-8-8-0 wrote:

Two words. Ramen Noodles!  Dead [xx(]

Tim

Look at the sodium content of those things - high blood pressure here you come!!!!Dead [xx(]

 

mmm....sodium!

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Posted by DavidH on Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:32 PM
 loathar wrote:
 davidmbedard wrote:

Speak for yourselves....the Canadian Economy is very, very strong.

David B

Glad to hear that NAFTA thing's working on your end...Disapprove [V]

Less to do with NAFTA and more to do with very high world commodity prices.  There aren't a lot of those commodities that Canada doesn't have oodles of.

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Posted by Packer on Saturday, June 28, 2008 7:35 PM
 loathar wrote:

As I was standing at the kitchen sink waiting two minutes for the hot water to heat up I thought, Hmmm...One of those instant hot water heaters that mount under the sink would be a good idea. They only use energy on demand and your not wasting water waiting for it to heat up. I remember seeing them 20 years ago and thought they were a joke, but these days they make a little more sense.
Anyone have any experience with these?

I have one at work. It's really good, since it heats up really quick, and it actaully produces hotter water (as in scalding hot)

As for me, less leadfooting, keep it under 2500 rpms, pump the tires up to 35 psi, and drive a little slower. (I used to go 60 going through downtown, now it's around 50). plan trips to have more than one stop (i.e. after work go to LHS, wal mart, and Lowes; work is close to those places) I don't know how much gas I've saved (odometer and tripometer quit working), , but I went from filling upevery other week to every three weeks. What bugs me is in a month I went from about 35 bucks for 3/4 of a tank to almost 50.

Vincent

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2. An end to the limited-production and other crap that makes models harder to get and more expensive.

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Posted by wm3798 on Saturday, June 28, 2008 7:42 PM

Having recently been laid off, I can certainly attest to things being less than rosey round these parts.  My work is based in residential housing, which is still sucking wind after about a year and a half.  I've got some odds and ends to do for people, so the wolf hasn't gotten through the door, but I can sure hear him knocking.

The main thing I do is try to stay positive, thank God for the blessings I do have, and keep my faith that things will work out in the end.

The good news is, I only have to get gas about once a month since I do my free lance work at home.  I actually volunteer to run to the grocery store once in a while so I don't forget how to drive!

Just remember... Every day above ground is a good day.

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Posted by galaxy on Saturday, June 28, 2008 7:45 PM

1) stop the impulse spending. If it's not on your list or in your budget, forego it.

2) Stop the "sign and go" purchases.....credit cards, installment credit and "no $ down, no payments for..." on whatevers...It will get you into trouble all the time.Only put on the credit card what you can REALLY pay off the next bill when it comes.

3) Send in the payment the day after the bill arrives. HAve the $$ ready for it when it needs to be paid to avoid late fees, and higher interest rates due to missed/late payments. The credit card bills always come out the same time each month, know when yours is due to arrive and have the $$ waiting.

4)Stop the "entitlement purchasing"....does EVERYONE in the family really need (be entitled to) one of each of things? Can't some be shared? This includes cell phones, TVs, computers, cars and even rooms and bathrooms. Do the kids or grandkids really need one each of these?

5) Do you really need 2,367 channels of TV to watch? Cut the cable/satelite bill. Cut out the extra extentions you pay for each person to have their own TV to watch in their own room.

6) Take the safe driver course to save on car insurance.

7) stop eating out.

8) Use cash whenever possible.

9) Don't use expensive interest rate Dept Store cards....they DO take MC, Visa & Discover (usually)

10) Transfer high interest balances to low or zero interest cards, and pay down quickly.

11) Sell any "toys" that you rarely use.....RV's, boats, ATV's, extra vehicles etcetera, even if you only get what you owe on them, at least you will be out from under the payment.

12) NEVER buy anything at full price, only buy on sale.

13) have a yard/garage sale to get rid of "stuff" you don't need, don't won't can't use and make a little $$$.

14) Vacation only within a 50 mile radius of your home/town. You'd be surprised at what there may be to do close to home. That means little gas spent, no motel/hotel costs, no plane tickets, no rental car etc. Take picnic cooler with food for the day.

15) Turn A/C up to 75* and off when gone, and heat down to 60*-65*. Automatic thermostat will help. Put on a sweater, sweatshirt, robe for added warmth. You WILL adjust. If you think its hot or cold inside, step out side as dressed for 5 whole minutes, then come back in. Then tell me it's hot/cold inside! Big Smile [:D]Wink [;)]

there's so many more....

-G .

Just my thoughts, ideas, opinions and experiences. Others may vary.

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Posted by tatans on Sunday, June 29, 2008 1:08 PM
 davidmbedard wrote:

Speak for yourselves....the Canadian Economy is very, very strong.

David B

The economy is OK it's the 17% HST (homogenized sales tax)  that's killing us, but we are just waiting for the other shoe to drop, does anyone remember 1981 "bust" in Alberta???? ---get ready for another one ! !    I went through 2 of them.

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Posted by Milepost 266.2 on Sunday, June 29, 2008 1:17 PM
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7) stop eating out.

ding ding ding, we have a winner!

This is the number one drain on cash, the number one way to run up a credit card bill, and will save you a lot of cash wasted in those side trips to Wal-Mart, Target, etc. "because we're already here".   

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Sunday, June 29, 2008 1:26 PM

Good jobs are available at railroads. UPRR says they have the most opportunities now than any other time in their 145 year history. http://www.unionpacific.jobs/

Economists are still debating if we even have a recession. The last recession was in 2001. Since then, we have had the fourth longest economic expansion (thru 2007 at least)  in the history of the USA.

The 2001 recession was described as "mild" by economists. The present slowing of growth so far has better employment numbers than was the case in the 2001 recession. Recessions are less frequent, less deep, and of shorter duration than before the mid-1980's.

Now, get back to enjoying the hobby.

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Posted by andrechapelon on Sunday, June 29, 2008 2:54 PM
 loathar wrote:

As I was standing at the kitchen sink waiting two minutes for the hot water to heat up I thought, Hmmm...One of those instant hot water heaters that mount under the sink would be a good idea. They only use energy on demand and your not wasting water waiting for it to heat up. I remember seeing them 20 years ago and thought they were a joke, but these days they make a little more sense.
Anyone have any experience with these?

Last Chance-Unfortunately, many people living in rural areas are forced to make 60 mile(or more) commutes to work because that's where the jobs are.

Will let you know. We're installing one in our lake cabin that we're remodeling. The new one is electric and it's replacing a 20 gallon electric tank heater.  When everything is hooked up and the water is back on, I'll post about how well it works. 

I first ran into demand heaters on a trip to Europe in the 80's. They seem to work pretty well and should save about 50% over the energy usage of a standard water heater.

As for commuting, not a problem for me. I'm retired.

Andre

 

It's really kind of hard to support your local hobby shop when the nearest hobby shop that's worth the name is a 150 mile roundtrip.
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Posted by Flashwave on Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:16 PM
 Heartland Division CBQ wrote:

Good jobs are available at railroads. UPRR says they have the most opportunities now than any other time in their 145 year history. http://www.unionpacific.jobs/

 

Yep. 3 years to go. Though maybe not with UP

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Posted by milker317 on Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:32 PM
My problem is no time to work on layout.... Too much work forced overtime 60 hours a week. I guess I'm lucky.. But getting real old. All I can do is take thier money.
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Posted by PRRT1MAN on Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:19 PM

Share a ride to work!

 

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Posted by rockymidlandrr on Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:12 PM
If you live far away from your LHS, dont make a trip just to go there.  I usually wait until I have something else to do in town and have a list in hand of the supplies I need and may need until the next time I come.  So that way, I can work for a while.
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Posted by tomikawaTT on Monday, June 30, 2008 10:21 AM

Use that federally mandated Q-chip in your TV to block QVC, Home Shopping Network and all the other, "Buy it now before it's sold out," money vacuums.Mischief [:-,]

(If I did, my wife would kill me...Laugh [(-D])

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Posted by Tjsingle on Monday, June 30, 2008 10:32 AM
 Milepost 266.2 wrote:
 galaxy wrote:

7) stop eating out.

ding ding ding, we have a winner!

This is the number one drain on cash, the number one way to run up a credit card bill, and will save you a lot of cash wasted in those side trips to Wal-Mart, Target, etc. "because we're already here".   

 

I can go to my local butcher and pick up some good steak for  $20, and make dinner for about  $30 total, basically making what you can get from going to a expensive dinner out.

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Posted by grayfox1119 on Monday, June 30, 2008 12:19 PM
 tatans wrote:
 davidmbedard wrote:

Speak for yourselves....the Canadian Economy is very, very strong.

David B

The economy is OK it's the 17% HST (homogenized sales tax)  that's killing us, but we are just waiting for the other shoe to drop, does anyone remember 1981 "bust" in Alberta???? ---get ready for another one ! !    I went through 2 of them.

Hey Dave, I heard that you are thinking of becoming an Ice Road trucker for the Big Bucks? Any truth in that rumor? They can't get enough truck drivers up at the tar sands either.

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Posted by gatrhumpy on Monday, June 30, 2008 12:22 PM

I think this is a great thread.

CARS:

1.) I set my '04 Accord tire pressures and my wife's '03 Civic tire pressures to 40 PSI. Less rolling resistance on the tires. We have no snow to worry about here in Jacksonville, but we do have rain.

2.) Wife does not work any more after being a Navy nurse for five years. She's now a stay-at-home mom. Less gas and maintenance used by her Civic.

3.) I only brake when I have to. I roll to a stop light to see if it will turn green. If it does, then I will have used less energy in stopping and going.

4.) I also keep the RPMs when accelerating under 2K.

5.) Turn the car off when sitting at a light, sitting at a drive-through, etc.

6.) I take out any useless things in my car. Less weight in the car.

7.) I keep the cars updated on maintenance.

8.) I bought a carbon fiber hood for my car, and this reduced the weight of the car by 17 pounds.

9.) Only use A/C in car when I have to.

HOUSE:

1.) Wash face with cold water at night instead of warm or hot water. Yes warm water may "open up the pores" a little bit more, but not a big difference.

2.) I shave first in my sink and then shower, so I'm not wasting money on water I'm not really using.

3.) Wrapped all pipes from water heater with pipe foam insulation, and wrapped hot water heater with a hot water heater blanket.

4.) Use cold water for laundry. This means less energy using hot water.

5.) Use fans to circulate cold air from the A/C if you have central air. Only use the fans when you are home, because the whole purpose of a fan is to keep YOU cooler, not the air. I.e. this only is cost effective when a person is there to enjoy it. If a fan is running in the house and no one is home, that's wasting energy.

6.) I try to combine trips whenever possible, and I only go places when I'm on my way home, if possible.

7.) I have my wife try to use the bike to go to local stores, which are only about a mile away. Sometimes the heat to so stifling here in Florida, sometimes it's impossible.

8.) I replaced all of my light bulbs in my house with CFLs.

9.) Bought drapes for some house windows to save amount of light coming into the house.

OTHER:

1.) I buy other store brands of food rather than brand names.

2.) I hope later this year I can buy some more attic insulation, which is blown in for my house.

3.) I stopped eating out at work. I used to do it once a week, and I haven't bought a lick of food at work since June 5th (it's now June 30th). It's healthier too.

4.) Turns lights and appliances off when you don't need them.

5.) I hope to someday install a solar hot water heater, but this would be up to the HOA.

 

That's all I can think of for now.

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Posted by Autobus Prime on Monday, June 30, 2008 12:45 PM
 gatrhumpy wrote:
I bought a carbon fiber hood for my car, and this reduced the weight of the car by 17 pounds.


Okay, now, I think we have won the "Spend A Dollar, Save A Dime" contest. :D I'm sure you bought that for performance/souping reasons, though. :)



I replaced all of my light bulbs in my house with CFLs.


I've used these a bunch, but I note that not every light in the house is a good place for them. Lights that are turned on, used 2 min. or so, then shut off, aren't so good. The CFLs don't reach
full brightness. I really like standard fluorescents for closets, which are efficient too. I have also had trouble with CFLs overheating in fully enclosed fixtures, particularly
when base-up. Also note that CFLs save little or no power when the heat is turned on (not something you Floridians have to worry about). The waste heat from incandescents actually reduces the furnace load by an equal amount.


I hope later this year I can buy some more attic insulation, which is blown in for my house.


Good plan. I think air infiltration is actually more important, once some insulation has been added. There is a diminishing ROI on insulation that rarely gets talked about, but basically your stud wall is R3. Adding 1" fiberglass, R3, makes it R6, and cuts the heat loss by 50%. Adding 3", R9, cuts the heat loss by 75%. Adding 9", R27, would cut the heat loss by 90%, but cost 3x as much for that extra 15 percent, than the previous 75 percent improvement cost. Probably the real advantage of thick insulation is that it tends to squash together and fill voids better. I say "loss", though "gain" would be more what you're concerned with. Anyway, if money savings is the goal, this diminishing return should be kept in mind.

And for those who think I'm just being an annoying schnook:
http://www.acima.asn.au/papers/r_benefit.pdf

(It's Australian, but you can adapt it to other countries by converting the currency and being sober while reading it.)
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