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Scale vs Gauge

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Posted by BR60103 on Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:11 AM
just for fun, about 50 years ago there were 3 options for the size that's about O scale.
1/4" to the foot on 1 1/4" track.
1/4" to the foot on 1 3/16" track. (called Q gauge)
17/64" to the foot on 1 1/4" track.
Today the Brits are fighting about 7mm to the foot on 31 or 32 or 33 mm gauge.

--David

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Posted by dandylines on Thursday, February 19, 2004 5:38 AM
Go G scale, or is that gauge?..... "G", who cares if your having fun?
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Posted by dandylines on Thursday, February 19, 2004 5:41 AM
Go G scale, or is that gauge?..... "G", who cares if your having fun?
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, February 19, 2004 9:46 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dandylines

Go G scale, or is that gauge?..... "G", who cares if your having fun?


Hey dandylines, posted this in responce to a question from Lupo, its relavent to my earlier post about the Large Scale "scale" debacle that makes this O gauge look tame by comparison...You guys doing O gauge, scale whatever should think about how easy you have it, you only have two choices, as for us Big Scalers, read on...[:D]

Hey Lupo

Welcome to the Land of Confusion, IE Large Scale...

Those 1/32 models are designated as Gauge 1. 1/32 is getting rare in large scale even thought 1/32 is CORRECT scale for 45mm track representing 4'-8 1/2" gauge track. The defacto "scale" for standard guage items in LS is now 1/29 scale or A scale. Heres the breakdown FYI:

1/32 scale = Gauge 1
1/29 scale = A scale -or- nmra X scale
1/24 scale = 1/2" scale -or- nmra H scale
1/22.5 scale = Gn3 scale -or- nmra Gscale
1/20.3 scale = Fn3 scale -or- nmra F scale
1/13 scale = M scale or more commonly as 7/8"n2 scale

All run on the same 45mm guage track, Confused? Good, So are we!

As you can see we cant even agree on a DESIGNATION for the scales in our world....

[banghead][X-)][banghead][X-)]

Well, back to my G Gauge, I mean Fn3 ..., I mean F scale, Ohh I give up...

[D)][|(][%-)]

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Posted by espeefoamer on Friday, February 20, 2004 7:22 PM
Now to really confuse matters! At 1:48th scale,O gauge track scales out to 5 feet.A small percentage of modellers use Q guage which scales out to 4 ft.8.5in.There used to be a Q scale club in San Diego,which is now the O scale club at the model railroad museum in Balboa Park.Does this make everything as clear as mud?[}:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 21, 2004 4:03 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ACL Fan

QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy

Guage is the distance between the rails. Scale is well, to tell ya the truth, I don't realy know what scale means.


Then why did you post , if you couldn't answer the question?

The question here is one of defintions of words vs. long-time hobbists' use of them.

In reality, used correctly:

"Scale" is the proporation a model has to the prototype. HO scale is 1/87th the size of the real thing, O is 1/48th, N is 1/160th, Z is 1/220th...and there are others, but you get the idea.

"Gauge" is how far apart the rails are. Standard gauge--what most tracks are--is 4', 8.5" in real life; narrow gauge can be any of several smaller widths. The same is true in models, but 1/87th or whatever proportion smaller.

Now. It used to be that in the old days when we were somewhat less-enlightened, those words were used interchangeably. Especially common was the phrase "N gauge," but it was used in all scales. The older the modeller is, the more likely it is that he, because he was taught this way, will call his scale of choice "gauge."

Bottom line: YOU were correct. He is using an older nomenclature and in all liklihood cannot tell you why or define the words himself; it's habit, but incorrect.

And someone at a museum should never have answered that way to a member of the public.


Occasioanny I drift in from the Trains.com Forums to see what everyone is up to.

ACL, I hate to break it to you, I post all the time wihout knowing the answer, If everyone went by your method of mind and only posted "when they KNEW the answer" this forum would have little more then a few posts..

It's not weathr you know the answer, it is weather you can shed some light on the oriiginal topic..

4884Bigboy Did indeed shed some light on the topic, by being The first person to answer with Gauage is the Distance between Rails.

I knew that, but many didn't.

I don't know much about Model RR's so you'll have to excuse me, But i do enjoy Making jokes on jsut about any thread, Try it some time, you'll like it!

I heard they invented a new scale Called ZZZ, thats right, it's 1/759 the real size! Sneeze, and the whole darn train derails!

I don't see the need for you to jump on him like that, it was very unnecesary

I always find it intresting how a topic and thread can often set so many people against one another, and ACL, you didn't help.
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Posted by yellowducky on Sunday, February 29, 2004 2:18 AM
Model/toy trains come in several sizes. So does one's knowledge or maybe interest in them. So try to gauge the scale of their knowledge or interest and give an appropiate sized reply. I don't think the "Yardmaster", refered to in the original topic post by untabubba, was in a gracious state of mind to do that.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 29, 2004 3:16 AM
May I please be excused? My brain is full.

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