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Photo editing question
Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, August 24, 2007 2:35 PM

I've got a question for you photo bugs. Below are two pics, same subject, same lighting conditions but run through two different editors for sharpness only. Which one looks better to you?

Photo one was edited with the Aiptek PhotoTools that came with my old Pencam.

Photo two was edited using PhotoImpressions 4.0 that came with my Vivitar Mini Camera.

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Posted by conrail92 on Friday, August 24, 2007 2:41 PM
They seem very close. But from my perspective Option 2 seems better, The first one is a tad fuzzy looking.
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Posted by Mark R. on Friday, August 24, 2007 2:52 PM

What did the original photo you started with look like ???

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, August 24, 2007 3:09 PM

This is the original.

So, back to the question, which of the two pics below looks better?

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Posted by Mark R. on Friday, August 24, 2007 3:28 PM

Well, out of the two you propose, I'd go with the first one if I had to choose.

The pictures are obviously very low resolution, and one thing you don't want to increase in that type of picture is contrast. Contrast is just going to make those large pixels even more prominent and make the picture look edgy.

Are you holding your camera, or is it resting stable on it's own ? That will make a big difference as well no matter what kind of camera you have. 

Here's your original picture that I did a couple very simple adjustments to. All I did was reduce the contrast, then lightened it a bit to compensate. I think the final result is much smoother looking. Also, the pixelated glow around contrasting colors isn't as prominent ....

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Posted by UP2CSX on Friday, August 24, 2007 3:36 PM
I agree with Mark. The original just needed a little touchup to look good. I think a lot of photo editing programs make pictures look far too pixilated when they sharpen the focus. What kind of camera and what is the megapixel rating? I think it might also help if you only reduced the phote to 800x600 resolution. It looks like you're using 640x480. 
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Posted by selector on Friday, August 24, 2007 4:02 PM
First image, Jeffrey.  The second seems like it is lower res, and has diffraction diagonals on some lines.  My thoughts.
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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, August 24, 2007 4:06 PM

The photo size is 352 x 288 pixels and is the only one the camera offers. The camera is very small. about the size of a box of matches and only cost $10. Here's the info on it.

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Posted by howmus on Friday, August 24, 2007 4:13 PM

 UP2CSX wrote:
I agree with Mark. The original just needed a little touchup to look good. I think a lot of photo editing programs make pictures look far too pixilated when they sharpen the focus. What kind of camera and what is the megapixel rating? I think it might also help if you only reduced the phote to 800x600 resolution. It looks like you're using 640x480. 

Actually jeffrey is not reducing the image but rather enlarging it.  The original photo taken by the camera is only 352 x 288 at 72 dpi.  It is never going to be a sharp and clear photo at 640 x 480 let alone 800 x 600.  Sorry.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, August 24, 2007 4:39 PM

This is the pic enlarged to 640 x 523.

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Posted by loathar on Friday, August 24, 2007 4:53 PM
Second one looks better. A tad too bright, but still better. You can see a lot more detail in the trucks and car ladder.
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Posted by Mark R. on Friday, August 24, 2007 4:53 PM

IT'S A $10 CAMERA !!! 

I'm impressed they look THAT good !!! Wink [;)]

A little touch-up, and you sure can't gripe about the investment.

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Posted by UP2CSX on Friday, August 24, 2007 5:02 PM
 howmus wrote:

 UP2CSX wrote:
I agree with Mark. The original just needed a little touchup to look good. I think a lot of photo editing programs make pictures look far too pixilated when they sharpen the focus. What kind of camera and what is the megapixel rating? I think it might also help if you only reduced the phote to 800x600 resolution. It looks like you're using 640x480. 

Actually jeffrey is not reducing the image but rather enlarging it.  The original photo taken by the camera is only 352 x 288 at 72 dpi.  It is never going to be a sharp and clear photo at 640 x 480 let alone 800 x 600.  Sorry.

I see that now that Jeffrey posted data about his camera. Given the specs, it actually does a pretty good job but it never will produce the kind of images that I think Jeffrey and all of us would like to see. Mark did a good job of making the photo look better but there's only so much you can do with a low res picture. I have a Kodak DX6490 that's 5 megapixels and I'm always surprised at how crummy I can make a 5 megapixel image look. Smile [:)] 

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, August 24, 2007 5:06 PM
 UP2CSX wrote:
I have a Kodak DX6490 that's 5 megapixels and I'm always suprised at how crummy I can make a 5 megapixel image look. Smile [:)] 
I know what you mean. I have a Vivitar 3500 series 3.5 megapixel camera that takes really rotten photos and is of absolutely no use for close-up shots.

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Posted by loathar on Friday, August 24, 2007 5:23 PM
Jeffrey- I had a $50 4 mega pixel from Wally World with 4x zoom and it didn't take pics 1/4 as good as yours. Couldn't get closer than 5' from your subject and the pics were REAL grainy. For $10, I'm impressed!
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Posted by doctorwayne on Friday, August 24, 2007 6:41 PM

Jeffrey, of your two pictures, I like the first one best, although I think that Mark's adjusted image is even better.  Either one is a big improvement over what your old camera offered, and you certainly can't complain that you were overcharged. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

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Posted by Mark R. on Friday, August 24, 2007 9:37 PM

 jeffrey-wimberly wrote:
I know what you mean. I have a Vivitar 3500 series 3.5 megapixel camera that takes really rotten photos and is of absolutely no use for close-up shots.

If your old Vivitar IS a 3500 series, they only have 1.3 mega-pixels with either a fixed focus or a minimum focus of 1m with no macro OR zoom .... no wonder you couldn't get satisfactory pictures !!!

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