Not sure why "I must be Nutz" thread was deleted due to complaints but I'm a bit ticked.
It was nice to actually have the oportunity to talk to the manufacturers in an open forum and in a respectful manner regarding our concerns as to what our wants are
But I guess "freedom of speech" and "The right to Know" is not a right shared by all!
WHO SCREWED IT UP FOR US?
Fergie
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If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
Freedom of speech only applies in public places. This forum is owned by MR and is the equivalent of having a conversation in their facility. If someone doesn't appreciate your speech when you are on their property, they can have you thrown out and be perfectly within their rights.
In other words, Kalmbach can decide they don't like some post, and free speech or censorship has nothing to do with it according to the law. It's their forum, which makes it their property, so they can delete any post for any reason at any time -- and that right would stand up in court.
Sometimes people can misconstrue text-based posts and when confusion is possible, it may be better to just delete the post. If you're worried about being heard, go stand up a blog out on the internet ... you can get free ones, even.
Otherwise, it's probably best to not get all wrapped around the axle, life goes on ... Model Railroading is supposed to be fun, remember!
Joe Fugate Modeling the 1980s SP Siskiyou Line in southern Oregon
There are lots of truly independent forums out there. I won't post a link here, but if you visit my website, you'll find links to at least one of them. The forum that is hosted by Atlas is surprisingly open in regarding to discussing its products, as well as those made by other manufacturers. I believe it's one of the most respected forums out there.
Lee
Route of the Alpha Jets www.wmrywesternlines.net
From the far, far reaches of the wild, wild west I am: rtpoteet
Post Deletions would carry more weight if the 'Deleter' were to himself post his reasons for doing so.
1. It would only emphasize what positive policies were in place.
2. Make posters be more responsible by example.
3.Also making the 'deleter' more responsible. No 'shooting in the back' if you will.
Sometimes Anonimity breeds contempt.
Why don't they just post what is wrong with the thread in the thead, and then lock it. It would dissapear and we would all know why.
-Smoke
Smoke wrote: Why don't they just post what is wrong with the thread in the thead, and then lock it. It would dissapear and we would all know why.
The few times the moderators have done that, often new threads spring up arguing over whether the reasons given for deletion were sufficient (pretty much like this one). Seems like it's better just to delete them.
We _could_ all move on, but perhaps that's asking too much.
Ted M.
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Fergie--
As Monty Python would probably say, "Intercourse" the post, just enjoy that locomotive when you get it!!
Tom
Tom View my layout photos! http://s299.photobucket.com/albums/mm310/TWhite-014/Rio%20Grande%20Yuba%20River%20Sub One can NEVER have too many Articulateds!
loathar wrote:RT POTEET-But if you notice, Fergs original post has been deleted from the thread
For reasons unknown to me the "said person" had it deleted due to "reader Complaints".
If I offended the "said person" then I do apolagize but at least they should have had the common decency to state his distaste or issue with the post I made as I felt I was well within the bounds of the forum's decorum.
Fergus
Y'know, most of us here will go out of our way to avoid offending anyone. But this one is a puzzle. "Reader complaint" is a pretty broad explanation. Was there some perceived offense to a group of people? Was there an overly-slanderous post about a product or company? Did somebody step over the foul language line? Did somebody insert advertising?
Bergie & Company - help us out on this one, OK? What was the crime here?
EDIT: I found the "hidden" thread, and read through it. One member suggested to another that they try the "Report Abuse" button if they didn't like what was being said. Maybe that's what happened. And yes, the post that triggered that response was a bit over the line, but that poster came back and apologized, which I view as a sign of maturity and civilization.
And Rapido and TNT, please continue with us, if only as readers. We appreciate your interest in what we as hobbyists have to say, and your input is valued.
And now, we return to our regularly-scheduled railroading...
It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse.