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Cleaning wheels on engines
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 6, 2007 10:17 AM

Even tho I clean my track often the wheels on my engines pick up hard to remove gunk. I have tried just about everything to clean them. Does anyone have an easy way??

Thanks

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Posted by Tilden on Monday, August 6, 2007 10:22 AM

91% isopropyl alcohol does a quick job of cleaning off the gunk and dries quickly too.  Use a Q-tip.

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Posted by jbinkley60 on Monday, August 6, 2007 10:23 AM
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Even tho I clean my track often the wheels on my engines pick up hard to remove gunk. I have tried just about everything to clean them. Does anyone have an easy way??

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Posted by Tilden on Monday, August 6, 2007 10:51 AM

Yea.... I have one of those, have for years.

Use the alcohol.

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Posted by mikesmowers on Monday, August 6, 2007 10:52 AM

   I also need to clean the wheels on my locos from time to time. The best method I have found and works very well is to take a sectoin of track and hook up a power pack to the rails (I use alagator clips) then lay a paper towel over about half of the track. Wet the paper towel with alchol and put the loco on the track with one set of wheels on the wet paper towel and the other set of wheels on the bare tack. Hold the loco and let the wheels on the bare track spin and the other set will spin on the wet paper towel cleaning the set of wheels. Do this with each set of wheels until the loco doesn't leave any black on the towel.

 This works very well but keep in mind that the alchol is flamable so use caution .  Hope this will help you.       Mike

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Posted by bogp40 on Monday, August 6, 2007 12:02 PM
 jbinkley60 wrote:
 msnyder344 wrote:

Even tho I clean my track often the wheels on my engines pick up hard to remove gunk. I have tried just about everything to clean them. Does anyone have an easy way??

Thanks

 http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/380-236

 

I have used the Kadee wheel cleaner for many years. Although it is quick and easy, I have noticed considerable wear of the nickle silver coating and some having the brass start to show through the scratches. Just too abasive, I now do the alcohol/ paper towel method and it cleans and will not harm the wheel finish.

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Posted by wedudler on Monday, August 6, 2007 1:21 PM

This is the way I clean the wheels. I use the Seuthe smoke flluid.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 6, 2007 10:01 PM

Hello all I am new here.  I am new to the forum but old to the model railroad world.  Well not that old I am only 30 years old.

 

Anyway The best way for me to clean engine wheels and i recommend it to everyone is to use alcohol on USED sheets of dryer sheets.  It works the best because it holds its durability very very long.  You can use one more than 10 times over.  You know when you get a paper towel wet it starts to fall apart and that was my issue.  Or the little fibers would break loose and end up on the track or in the engine.  So I switch to my own idea of using Dryer sheets.  It works great give it a try.

 

P.S.  I say USED dryer sheets of course because the stuff on the sheets before it is put into the dryer is a thin film like stuff that you do not want to have on your wheels.  Once it is used they are very clean.

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Posted by Steve P on Thursday, August 9, 2007 9:02 PM

I have used the rail and cloth method as well. HOWEVER, I laid 2 metal plates separated with a plastic strip insulater on a section of track near my loco servicing faciltiy.   The metal strips are in contact with the rails and provide power to the TREADS of the wheels, NOT the wheel itself, as the constant grinding can wear the nickle plating off. So one set of trucks are on the powered metal strips, while the other truck sits over cotton cloth laid on top of the rail. This gets the inside treads clean as well as I run the engine full power to scrub the grime off. The metal strips simply look like a grade crossing, or work area for maintenace of the engines, which in fact it really is!!

I only use cleaning solutions if the grime is really caked on, but with normal use and a lot of running, I simply only need to use a regular section of cotton cloth I keep handy near the area. The slightest balking of enigine power and the wheels get cleaned.  It takes about 10 seconds per truck and you have a squeaky clean running system.  

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Posted by saraiva on Thursday, August 9, 2007 9:19 PM

Dear friends,

 

Here you have my 2 cents contribution:

For cleaming tracks I use the Roco track clean rubber it is sold for under US$ 10 and after it I clean the track with paper towel.

 

For the engines weels, I use the 66602 Trix HO locomotive wheel cleaning brush, you can attach several bruses to clean at once large engines. It is very efective.

 

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Posted by mondotrains on Thursday, August 9, 2007 9:49 PM
 mikesmowers wrote:

   I also need to clean the wheels on my locos from time to time. The best method I have found and works very well is to take a section of track and hook up a power pack to the rails (I use alagator clips) then lay a paper towel over about half of the track. Wet the paper towel with alchol and put the loco on the track with one set of wheels on the wet paper towel and the other set of wheels on the bare tack. Hold the loco and let the wheels on the bare track spin and the other set will spin on the wet paper towel cleaning the set of wheels. Do this with each set of wheels until the loco doesn't leave any black on the towel.

 This works very well but keep in mind that the alchol is flamable so use caution .  Hope this will help you.       Mike

I use the same approach as Mike describes above but I stopped cleaning my engines on my layout track.  Instead, I mounted a piece of scrap track to a 1" x 3" piece of wood, then mounted a cheap power pack to the end of it using electricians tape and finally soldered wires from the power pack's DC terminals to the track.  This way, I can sit at my workbench and clean as many engines as I want without worrying about wearing out my mainline track.  Actually, my real motive is to do the job sitting down.  I have bad knees and need to spend as much time sitting down as possible.....  It can take a while to clean several engines.

Hope this helps.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 9, 2007 10:45 PM
Get one of those wire brush cleaners that pick up power from the tracks and put the locomotive on it and run the loco stationary. Wire brushes all moving wheels. Minitrix makes one.
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Posted by trainfreek92 on Thursday, August 9, 2007 11:08 PM
I use smoke fluid works well for me. LHS recommended it
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Posted by larak on Friday, August 10, 2007 9:59 PM
 davidmbedard wrote:
 wedudler wrote:

This is the way I clean the wheels. I use the Seuthe smoke flluid.

Wolfgang 

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David B

A great method but it does nothing for tender pickups (or pilot wheels for that matter). Yeah, I like steam. Actually I also use the towel method for the drivers then clean the other wheels with a q-tip and alcohol.

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Posted by Cederstrand on Friday, August 10, 2007 10:11 PM

I take it from everyones comments that the alcohol approach doesn't have any harmful effect on traction tires? Thanks!

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Posted by Marty on Vancouver Island on Sunday, August 12, 2007 11:35 AM

I also strongly suggest not using anything that resembles a wire brush to clean locomotive wheels. It will scratch the wheel treads and exacerbate the dirty wheel problem. (And imagine what it would do to rubber traction tires.)

I have used the 90% ISP alcohol and paper towel method successfully for decades - literally - including 30 years in N scale several years ago. I like the suggestion of using "used" dryer sheets (although I have never had a problem with paper towels). Be careful of loose threads getting caught around the wheel axles if using a fabric material.

As for cleaning unpowered wheels that provide electrical pick-up, such as on tenders, place the paper towel/s lengthwise along the track, add ISP alcohol along its length, and role the unit back and forth, moving the towel occassionally, until no more black streaks appear. It works!

I have been experimenting with a product called Rail Zip (?) for cleaning my track. It apparently leaves a mild conductive film on the rail. I recently used it to clean the wheels on my Walthers Sperry Rail Car to which I had added strobe lights front and rear, and a rear marker light. (I should mention an additional 4 ounces of weight as well.) Only the front truck is powered, but the rear truck is used for additional pick-up. Using the methods described above to clean all the wheels, this unit has never run so well. It now crawls around the layout without even a hint of hesitation.

Not to open another back-of-worms with this final observation, but running all your equipment with metal wheels will help fight the dirty wheels syndrome.

Cheers, Marty on Vancouver Island, modeling the Maine Central's West End, St. Johnsbury, VT.

  

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Posted by Beowulf on Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:14 PM

I use solvent whenever possible such as alcohol or laquer thinner.  But older brass wheels get rings of darkeded surface rather than thick crud.  These are removed quickly with a light touch of a wire brush in a motor tool at moderate speed.

A 2 inch scrap of flex track can be handy to spin the drivers.  Clip the leads from your test power pack to the rails at one end then hold the other end of the rails against a pair of drivers while the loco is upside down in the foam holder.

Don't forget to clean the faces and backs of the wheels.  This is the route oil ang grease are taking from the gearboxes to the rail.  Removing the supply of gunk closer to the source will gain more time before the next cleaning.  Use a minimum of oil and grease.  Over lubrication is extremely common and lots of locos are shipped with much more lube than needed.

And, of course, DON'T PUT ANYTHING ON YOUR RAILS THAT WILL HOLD DUST AND DIRT!  Nickel silver doesn't need to be lubricated to prevent corrosion as brass did years ago.  Before you put anything on your rails, pour a 1 or 2 inch diameter pool of it on a clean scrap of glass and let it sit for a few days.  If you see any residue on the glass, that's what you'll shortly be cleaning off your wheel treads along with all the dust that will stick to it.

 

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Posted by Papadiesel on Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:48 PM

Years ago when we had to clean the heads on a disk drive 90% ISP was all we could use. This was that any other alchol or freon would leave a film. If this was applied to cleaning wheels and rails there might be enough of a film to cause a high resistance. A hi resistence would not let the electronics get all the current possible.

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Posted by Tracklayer on Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:37 PM
 mikesmowers wrote:

   I also need to clean the wheels on my locos from time to time. The best method I have found and works very well is to take a sectoin of track and hook up a power pack to the rails (I use alagator clips) then lay a paper towel over about half of the track. Wet the paper towel with alchol and put the loco on the track with one set of wheels on the wet paper towel and the other set of wheels on the bare tack. Hold the loco and let the wheels on the bare track spin and the other set will spin on the wet paper towel cleaning the set of wheels. Do this with each set of wheels until the loco doesn't leave any black on the towel.

 This works very well but keep in mind that the alchol is flamable so use caution .  Hope this will help you.       Mike

Same here.

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Posted by alanprocter on Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:45 PM

Hi everyone:

 Very timely topic for me - I seem to have particular problems with Athearn switcher locos with gunc build-up, but my proto 2000 locos run just fine.  I recently changed the wheels on the Athearns to nickel/silver and they are better.  I also use the towel method while holding the loco on a short section of track connected to the main layout with alligator clips.  All my locos are DCC.  My only difference is to use STP fuel injector and carburetter cleaner/additive.  This was recommended as one option in some recent MR article.  Does anyone have an opinion on whether this is better or worse that the iso propyl alcohol as a cleaning solvent?

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Posted by CNE Runner on Friday, August 17, 2007 9:05 AM
After reading the many excellent suggestions quoted herein, I decided to pass on my method. I feel running metal wheelsets forestalls cleaning wheels so frequently (it has to do with static electricity and attraction). Secondly, one needs to start with CLEAN track: use a commercial liquid cleaner and/or a Bright Boy. Run your trains frequently...the tracks will remain remarkably clean and will tend to keep the wheelsets clean as well. OK, to clean locomotive wheels I use the dryer sheet method (paper towels tend to fall apart AND can impart lots of lint). I use a readily available product called De-Solv-it available from WalMart (citrus based). With a short length of track covered with a De-Solv-it dampened dryer sheet, I add power and hold the engine in place until no more black residue is seen. The rear truck assembly is done the same way. Usually I run each truck over a "untreated" part of the dryer sheet to make sure all excess De-Solv-it has been removed. I only wish freight car wheels could be cleaned so easily. I have found 91% isopropanol to be best at this - although I must admit I haven't yet tried the De-Solv-it solution. Regarding the addition of Wahl's Clipper Oil (or some other product) to the top of your rails...DON'T!! You are only providing a "magnet" for dust...nickel-silver rail doesn't need it. Do not use sandpaper or coarse cleaning pads on the track or wheels because that will leave small scratches that harbor grit and grime...making your cleaning job more frequent and harder. My layout is in an unheated/unairconditioned garage so you can only imagine the dust/moisture level and I have little trouble with either dirty track or dirty wheels. Good luck!

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Posted by grayfox1119 on Friday, August 17, 2007 9:09 AM
Nothing works an better than an ultrasonic cleaner bath. Micro-Mark carries them, check their web site at www.micromark.com
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Posted by cudaken on Friday, August 17, 2007 10:38 AM

 I haved used the cloth on the rails and does a good job. But I like flipping on the backs in a foam craddle and use Q-tips. I use nail polish remover. I hot wire the engine so it will run.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 20, 2007 3:01 PM

Hello all of you.

Where can we get a more definitive final advise on cleaning the wheels on engines.

I notice that some recommend alcohol, others smoke fluid, other solvents, etc. I definitely believe that the wire brush is wrong as it will scratch and ware out the wheels quickly or reduce their life. What about goo gone ? Or will it leave a film causing electric conducting problems.

Some of the paper tower cleaning solutions recommended, I agree that it will not allow to clean all the wheels.

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Posted by mikesmowers on Monday, August 20, 2007 5:16 PM
    Goo Gone will work if the wheels are really dirty but may leave a film on the wheels. After using the goo gone, I would use the alchol to remove any film left over. I can run my locos until they will not make it 3 foot down the track, and clean them with the alchol method and they will work great. The alchol is probley the cheepest way to go with good results and is fast. This is my opinion.    Mike
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Posted by Marty on Vancouver Island on Thursday, August 23, 2007 5:51 PM

RRM asked, "Where can we get a more definitive..................."

Right here on this forum. Review the posts again. The one suggestion that stands out more than any other is 90% alcohol on a paper towel. Run the engine with one truck on the track for power pick-up and the other on the alcohol soaked paper towel. Keep moving the paper towel until no more black steaks appear. Then turn the engine and do the same for the other truck. For unpowered trucks/wheels, such as the rear one on the Walthers Sperry Car [or any of your rolling stock], just wet more of the paper towel along the track and run the car back and forth until the wheels are clean. It works!

Cheers, Marty on Vancouver Island modelling the Maine Central's WEST END, St. Johnsbury, VT.

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Posted by SOU Fan on Thursday, August 23, 2007 5:59 PM
 Marty on Vancouver Island wrote:

RRM asked, "Where can we get a more definitive..................."

Right here on this forum. Review the posts again. The one suggestion that stands out more than any other is 90% alcohol on a paper towel. Run the engine with one truck on the track for power pick-up and the other on the alcohol soaked paper towel. Keep moving the paper towel until no more black steaks appear. Then turn the engine and do the same for the other truck. For unpowered trucks/wheels, such as the rear one on the Walthers Sperry Car [or any of your rolling stock], just wet more of the paper towel along the track and run the car back and forth until the wheels are clean. It works!

Cheers, Marty on Vancouver Island modelling the Maine Central's WEST END, St. Johnsbury, VT.

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Posted by sfrailfan on Sunday, September 2, 2007 9:14 PM
 CNE Runner wrote:
Regarding the addition of Wahl's Clipper Oil (or some other product) to the top of your rails...DON'T!! You are only providing a "magnet" for dust...nickel-silver rail doesn't need it.


Do all of you think this is true? The reason I ask is my club uses conducta lube (clipper oil repackaged) and I don't think it really works. I suggested rail zip and they say it corrodes plastic ties.... which I thought was a strange thing to say.... so... can anyone else comment on conducta lube/clipper oil?

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