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Posted by green_elite_cab on Friday, January 2, 2009 10:27 PM

Just do what the directions on the bottle say.  Floquil dust is already pretty diluted. And only do one coat of paint at a time.  Its easy to say, "it looks like it needs one more" when you're painting it, but when it dries, its likely to come out different.  that unit really isn't all that dusty, and you may be better off using a brush for some of it and just making a "wash". 

just don't forget to properly mask.

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Posted by WCfan on Friday, January 2, 2009 10:59 PM

Vincent, that's a tough kit bash. The SD40 and SDP40 have almost the same frame lengths. (The SD40 was an inch and a half longer, but big deal there) The problem you'll have is that a SDP40 is like a SD45, it just fits on the fame.

I think you could get away with cutting the long hood of a SD45 off and placing a SD40 hood on there. Then adding a SDP40 steam generator to the end. The rear pilot looks almost exactly the same as a SD45T-2 pilot that they used. One thing I notice is that you'll have to add another hood door between the Steam generator and SD40 long hood. For the fuel tank, your idea seems the best. The SD45T-2 tank I think had a larger fuel capacity.

Can't wait to see progress!

I hope to work on my SDL39 tomorrow; maybe I can cut out one of the long hoods and get that semi finished. I haven't yet picked up my parts.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 3, 2009 10:06 AM

Vincent: I'm not really sure what you mean. Do you need an SDP35 shell or not?

Joe: Your history sounds good to me.  It helps that I don't know the area well; my cousins live just East of Morristown (within walking distance of the M&E!), but I've never been West/North of there. Does NS run on the old line to Scranton? I do have one (minor) point to make: railroads don't usually build a spur then sell it to an industry. Normally they talk to industries located along the ROW then agree to build a spur to them. Also they might encourage a company to build their new plant along the ROW like your Magic Pan Bakeries and then construct a spur.

It doesn't change anything about the model, but it might be a good idea to change in your history.

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Posted by ns3010 on Saturday, January 3, 2009 10:44 AM

Thanks.

Here's a little more info on the area (real world) for anyone (AFAIK everyone) who isn't familiar with the area.

Port Morris is located in Roxbury, which is near Lake Hopatcong (which is where I am). It is about an hour from NYC and less than an hour from PA and the DWG (Delaware Water Gap). It is currently a layover yard for NJT between Lake Hopatcong and Netcong. It is also the junction of the Lackawanna Cutoff, a rail line to Scranton,  PA built by the DL&W in 1908- I think- as a double track main. In 1958, just before merging with the Erie, the Lackawanna single tracked the entire route. Through all of the E-L time and the beginning years of Conrail, the line received little use. Conrail, unhappy with steep grades in NJ and the Pocono Mountains in PA, put the line out of service in 1979. All trackage was removed in 1984. For over 20 years, there has been debate over what to do with the line. In recent years, NJ Transit has talked about reviving passenger service to Scranton. Although nothing has been done, they plan to have the first seven miles from Port Morris to Andover designed by 2010 (which shocks me, considering that they are taking two years to design an existing ROW?)

The Watchinson Secondary which I model, never existed.

 

My next major project will be kitbashing my F40PH into a F40PH-2CAT.

Here's my model, I removed some of the weathering because It was way to heavy, but no new picture.

Here's a link to a pic of a F40PH-2CAT. Note the lack of a rear platform, which is the only noticeable difference.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 3, 2009 10:50 AM

Donde esta un fuel tanko?

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Posted by demonwolf224 on Saturday, January 3, 2009 11:01 AM

It's a model for the new solar powered engines!

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Posted by ns3010 on Saturday, January 3, 2009 11:17 AM

Oh, its a hydrogen cell.

Ah, just kidding. Funny story about that...

This is an old locomotive. I got it quite a few years ago for Christmas. Well anyway, my younger brother has a friend who I wish would take stuff more seriously. One weekend, I was away, and he came to our house. Without my knowing, they decided to take it for a spin. Well, they ran it too fast, and it ran into a Santa Fe F3. As you may have guessed, it fell off the side of the table, and four feet to the ground... I came back the next day, and the fuel tank was gone and the front snowplow was cracked, and the front coupler was snapped. At least, since the front coupler is never used on a passenger locomotive, that wasn't a big deal. Still never found th fuel tank, so I just gave up. However, I got used to it and I kinda forgot about it until you said that.

So, actually that adds more to my project: extend hood (done on prototype to make room for caterpillar engine), add fuel tank, and get front coupler.

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Posted by Railfan Alex on Saturday, January 3, 2009 2:23 PM

Well that's a funny story to say the least!

Ty, you just reminded me that school starts Monday, and I need to do my Spanish project...Angry

On the bright side, there is only 3 classes of spanish left in my life!

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Posted by ns3010 on Saturday, January 3, 2009 4:47 PM

Ah, the joys of school...    Right now, I am working on my five page term paper that is due friday. I'm almost done with the first draft, and it's an easy topic. Ours is on embryonic stem cells and whether it is morally wrong or not. The other classes are on peanut allergies...Confused Thank god for Honors Biology! And our really cool teacher.

I LOVE my spanish class. Our teacher makes us do groupwork (although we are freshman, not 1st graders). Its a great class because so many of my friends are in that class and our teacher makes fun of everyone. We have to take at least two years of a language, although three are preferred. Now only if I didn't have to take four years of english...

Anyway, I took  a look at my  F40 before, and I think it should be pretty easy. From what I can tell, the back of the hood is the same, but all the pix I could find were all from the right side. If it is the same, I'll simply cut off the back portion and fill in the rest with styrene. That is, assuming that the overall length is the same, which I'm pretty sure it is. Hopefully, I'll be able to add ditch lights, if I can figure out the wiring. Most likely, I'll just connect them to the same output as the front headlight.       I'm still trying to figure out how to open the geep. My layout will be done, and I'll have graduated college by the time I figure this out...

Tyler, going back to your question about the industries:     When the Lackawanna built the line in 1923, there were no industries along the line. It was simply a corridor between NYC and Scranton. When NS rehabilitated the line, they also owned a lot of land adjacent to the track. They built sidings and sold this land to major companies as a way to advertise the line, so that it would be prosperous. So basically, they used the land that they owned as a way to make money, both by selling it, and creating freight traffic.

Maybe I'll start working on my F40 tonight. Maybe not cutting or any building (complete lack of supplies), but I'll remove the shell and start planning it out.

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Posted by green_elite_cab on Saturday, January 3, 2009 5:24 PM

ns3010
my next major project will be kitbashing my F40PH into a F40PH-2CAT.

Here's my model, I removed some of the weathering because It was way to heavy, but no new picture.

Here's a link to a pic of a F40PH-2CAT. Note the lack of a rear platform, which is the only noticeable difference.

 Yeah, that thing looks like its in trouble.  You better repaint that! that weathering is more than a bit much, lol.   Gotta try and use decals for the numbers next time to, lol.

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Posted by Packers#1 on Saturday, January 3, 2009 6:49 PM

Railfan Alex

Well that's a funny story to say the least!

Ty, you just reminded me that school starts Monday, and I need to do my Spanish project...Angry

On the bright side, there is only 3 classes of spanish left in my life!

 

Wish I had that! I'm only going to go to spanish 3 though (just need three years for Clemson), I hate it. None of my good friends are in there, and we usually have to do group work (which absolutely SUCKS, I hate working in groups!) All my friends are in French, lol, but I'd rather not learn that, lol.

Well, I did nothing on my layout today, was hanging out at a friend's house. School starts monday here, will be good to see my friends, but will suck having to do school work.

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Posted by ns3010 on Saturday, January 3, 2009 7:23 PM

Packers#1
None of my good friends are in there, and we usually have to do group work (which absolutely SUCKS, I hate working in groups!) All my friends are in French, lol, but I'd rather not learn that, lol.

Our groupwork is fun cause we do crap. Bio's even better, because we get into class conversations, which 99% of the time have nothing to do with Biology. History's fun just... because. Somehow, I ended up in 6th period, with all the "geniouses" although last quarter, I got a 99 in that class... for some reason, we can't get 100s lol. Don't even get me started about Theology...

Anyway, I think I figured out the wiring for my F40, so I'll be able to add ditch lights. I also found a future project to do. It's NJTs ALP-45DM, the dual mode loco that they're getting. Maybe if I'm lucky, someone will make it as a resin shell. This thing looks like a beast. It's like an ALP-46 on steroids. Can't wait till they come. They'll most likely  show up here on the Montclair-Boonton/Morristown Line ( the M-B and the Motown line combine at Denville) considering that electrification ends at Dover.

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Posted by Railfan Alex on Saturday, January 3, 2009 7:29 PM

Yea Montreal has an order for the ALP-45DM as well. Should be quite a sight to see!

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 3, 2009 7:35 PM

I got a 93 in Biology...

That ALP-45DM looks pretty neat! I've seen the ALP-46s, and they look pretty similar!

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Posted by Packers#1 on Saturday, January 3, 2009 7:42 PM

ns3010

Packers#1
None of my good friends are in there, and we usually have to do group work (which absolutely SUCKS, I hate working in groups!) All my friends are in French, lol, but I'd rather not learn that, lol.

Our groupwork is fun cause we do crap. Bio's even better, because we get into class conversations, which 99% of the time have nothing to do with Biology. History's fun just... because. Somehow, I ended up in 6th period, with all the "geniouses" although last quarter, I got a 99 in that class... for some reason, we can't get 100s lol. Don't even get me started about Theology...

yeah, we get off topic in social studies, lol. I still have regular science, thank the lord we're through the geology section, let's jsut say that charles Darwin was high when he created the theory of evolution, and that scientists are wrong about everything, the earth is only 6,000 years old, but I won't get into that more here, b/c it's religion, but if you want to hear my argument, either PM or email me. or catch me on facebook.

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Posted by ns3010 on Saturday, January 3, 2009 7:47 PM

You'll never believe this.

Here's a picture of an ALP-46. Now compare it to the ALP-45DM. See anything SLIGHTLY similar? Maybe just a little.

Yea, I forgot that Montreal was getting some too. NJT is getting 26, with an option for 63 more. Sadly, there is controversy that they are to replace the F40PH-2CATs and the GP40PH-2s. Yes, especially the ex-CNJ units. Disapprove AFAIK, the ALP-54DM is NOT the official name. None has been announced. Again, NJT is using unproven technology (don't know if anyone know about anything that happened, but don't ask). Nothing is DM with a diesel  engine and AC catenary. However, I like the PL42ACs and C5s and most of the bugs have been worked out.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 3, 2009 8:24 PM

Packers#1

I still have regular science, thank the lord we're through the geology section, let's jsut say that charles Darwin was high when he created the theory of evolution, and that scientists are wrong about everything, the earth is only 6,000 years old, but I won't get into that more here, b/c it's religion, but if you want to hear my argument, either PM or email me. or catch me on facebook.

 

I disagree with you about that, of course that's a banned subject here (for good reason) but I do have one point to make: Isn't geology about rocks? I don't think the theory of evolution applies to rocks...Smile,Wink, & Grin

                                         

Joe: You mean these units? If so, that's really bad news to me. Those are among my favorite units on NJT...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz6qUQeatEs

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Posted by ns3010 on Saturday, January 3, 2009 8:59 PM

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Packers#1

I still have regular science, thank the lord we're through the geology section, let's jsut say that charles Darwin was high when he created the theory of evolution, and that scientists are wrong about everything, the earth is only 6,000 years old, but I won't get into that more here, b/c it's religion, but if you want to hear my argument, either PM or email me. or catch me on facebook.

 

I disagree on you about that, of course that's a banned subject here (for good reason) but I do have one point to make: Isn't geology about rocks? I don't think the theory of evolution applies to rocks...Smile,Wink, & Grin

                                         

Joe: You mean these units? If so, that's really bad news to me. Those are among my favorite units on NJT...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz6qUQeatEs

Sadly, yes, those geeps. I personally love them. It's hard to believe that they are now in their 41st year of service. The PL42s were originally supposed to be the replacements, but there were problems with them when they arrive, but I like them. Anyway, those 13 units are the only "historic" units left. The -2As and Bs were rebuilt from GP40s. Oh, and BTW, I think that you were at Convent Station, considering that there is no convent garden...  Also, how can you "disagree on" Sawyer???

Sawyer, we have those exact kinds of conversations in Theology class. Yes, I go to a Catholic HS, in case anyone was wondering.

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Posted by Railfan Alex on Saturday, January 3, 2009 9:32 PM

ns3010

You'll never believe this.

Here's a picture of an ALP-46. Now compare it to the ALP-45DM. See anything SLIGHTLY similar? Maybe just a little.

Yea, I forgot that Montreal was getting some too. NJT is getting 26, with an option for 63 more. Sadly, there is controversy that they are to replace the F40PH-2CATs and the GP40PH-2s. Yes, especially the ex-CNJ units. Disapprove AFAIK, the ALP-54DM is NOT the official name. None has been announced. Again, NJT is using unproven technology (don't know if anyone know about anything that happened, but don't ask). Nothing is DM with a diesel  engine and AC catenary. However, I like the PL42ACs and C5s and most of the bugs have been worked out.

Yep, they look similar! I'm sure you know, but it is actually the same picture, but with a bit of photoshopping!

As for your F40PH-2CATs and GP40PH-2s, Montreal leases them, only to have them outside a shop that burns down and rains bricks on your locos. But now it makes for some nice sights on the commuter trains.

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At my school, religion is pretty much hushed up. We learn all the general stuff about all the main religions, but we don't look at history through the Christian bible or whatever, we learn all the different theorys of evolution.

My racist history teacher says all you learn in the states is history through the bible... (and I doubt that's true)

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Posted by Guilford Guy on Saturday, January 3, 2009 9:47 PM

After conferring with Jordan-

Religion and science are two different things, and neither should be used in place of the other. With that said, lets stop throwing around slander and what not, and get back to talking about trains. This is the wrong place to bring up the subject of religion

Anyways, Mom said I could order the paints I need. And now I have to order my Atlas parts. That's on the back burner at the moment, for I have to finish my module by the 23rd...

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Posted by Railfan Alex on Saturday, January 3, 2009 10:01 PM

Yes, sorry, and agreed.

But it is an interesting subject to me, and if someone wants to discuss in a PM with me or something, I have no problem.

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All that aside, I have been testing and fooling around with my Tsunami 567, and boy does it sound nice! I think I am now going Tsunami all the way, there is nothing out there that is better. Plus, you have playable horns on the DT400, something I find that is really cool.

And Soundtraxx won't tell you, because it was a complete accident, but you can change the sounds on your Tsunami with the Quantum Revolution programmer.

So if any of you are into aftermarket sound, I would really recommend Soundtraxx's Tsunami.

I've been doing more of those decoder installs, I've taken photos and need to post them and all that.

I even cleaned some stuff up in my room, and under it I found my desk! Tongue

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Posted by ns3010 on Saturday, January 3, 2009 10:06 PM

Yes I realized that.

I didn't know that any F40s went to Canada. And they were GP40FH-2s, not PH-2s. The FHs are geeps with an ex-BN cowl. I believe that all except the ones in Canada have been retired. You also have some comarrows (comet IBs- arrow Is rebuilt into coaches), which are the only ones that aren't retired. And yes, I heard about th fire. It damaged one of the GP40FH-2s, but nothing was destroyed. Someone on another forum made a joke saying that "Since NJ and Canada have similar equipment (AMT is leasing NJT stuff) and both are getting the ALP-46s, that by 2012, they will look exactly the same."

Anyway, lets put away the science and religion and get back to the modeling.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:10 AM

ns3010

TrainManTy

Packers#1

I still have regular science, thank the lord we're through the geology section, let's jsut say that charles Darwin was high when he created the theory of evolution, and that scientists are wrong about everything, the earth is only 6,000 years old, but I won't get into that more here, b/c it's religion, but if you want to hear my argument, either PM or email me. or catch me on facebook.

 

I disagree on you about that, of course that's a banned subject here (for good reason) but I do have one point to make: Isn't geology about rocks? I don't think the theory of evolution applies to rocks...Smile,Wink, & Grin

                                         

Joe: You mean these units? If so, that's really bad news to me. Those are among my favorite units on NJT...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz6qUQeatEs

Sadly, yes, those geeps. I personally love them. It's hard to believe that they are now in their 41st year of service. The PL42s were originally supposed to be the replacements, but there were problems with them when they arrive, but I like them. Anyway, those 13 units are the only "historic" units left. The -2As and Bs were rebuilt from GP40s. Oh, and BTW, I think that you were at Convent Station, considering that there is no convent garden...  Also, how can you "disagree on" Sawyer???

Sawyer, we have those exact kinds of conversations in Theology class. Yes, I go to a Catholic HS, in case anyone was wondering.

Convent Station? That makes more sense... I remembered it as Garden, but that was last May... I'll go edit all the videos now...

And "disagree on" was just a typo, I have since fixed it. I fully agree with Alex, lets get back to modeling!

                                                                  

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Posted by Packers#1 on Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:48 AM

 Yeah, sorry about that, it just makes me so ticked when i see how blind the world has become.

On a model railroading note, I think I found jsutification for having such a big yard on my layout that I don't need to operate the local oindustries: a small repair/storage yard. Now I also have an excuse to get more locos and cars painted for my SBRail system.

Tyler, sent you a PM, De lery, talk to you on facebook.

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Posted by ns3010 on Sunday, January 4, 2009 1:35 PM

Still kinda surprised on how we got into all that stuff just from Tyler asking about my fuel tank in Spanglesh. But whatever.

Tyler: Looks good. But what's up with the metalic blue on the car?

Sawyer: Good ideal. I can see why you wand a big yard, I would have one if I had room.

I think I figured out everything for my F40. Just want an opinion: The rear headlight works on LED 1 +,-. Front Headlight works on LED 2 +,-. Numberboards are LED 3 +,-. There is one other LED output marked LED 4/5 +,-. I think I will connnect the ditch lights to either LED 2 or 3. Do you think I should do this or put them on LED 4/5? I'm not sure how extensive the programming on EZ Command is, and I'm not familiar with programming. So, I think I will just wire them with either the front headlight or numberboards, and leave them constant? Any help is appreciated.

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Posted by Packers#1 on Sunday, January 4, 2009 2:21 PM

ns3010

Still kinda surprised on how we got into all that stuff just from Tyler asking about my fuel tank in Spanglesh. But whatever.

Tyler: Looks good. But what's up with the metalic blue on the car?

Sawyer: Good ideal. I can see why you wand a big yard, I would have one if I had room.

 

well, we got talking about school, then classes, then science, etc., etc., lol.

Joe, my yard is anything but big. three tracks, all can probably hold about 8-9 cars. however, both the main and A/D track can be used for classification (yeah, how I operate, it will work), and I only need three tracks, tops, to classify the freight, and I won't need the whole track area, so that'll leave two tracks open for storage, and also all three can go into a shop.

I'm thinking either this pikestuff kit:

 http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/product_p/pks-541-8014.htm

or this walthers kit (it's out of stock, but there's other sites I can use):

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/product_p/933-3228.htm 

the other yard buildings are all pikestuff, so I want to go with something different, but then again, it might look better to keep everything in unity. I don't know what do you guys think?

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 4, 2009 2:45 PM

Joe: Maybe that car needs a little weathering to tone down the shine, huh? It looks normal in person.

Sawyer: Whether all the buildings were similar would depend on a few things.

  • The infrastructure before your shortline took over - if there was already a yard there they would probably keep whatever buildings were in good shape and worked well and replace the rest with modern steel structures (the Pikestuff structures) If there was no yard there, then all the buildings would be the same.
  • When each one was built. A railroad in the 60s might build a brick structure, then in the 80s build a steel structure, all in the same yard.

Just some things to think about. If it was me, I'd go with all steel unless I really wanted an older structure from an older era. Just my My 2 cents

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Posted by ns3010 on Sunday, January 4, 2009 2:58 PM

Sawyer: Personally I like the Walthers kit, but its up to you. In case you're interested, the walthers kit is available from Walthers on sale and in stock.

Tyler: Idk how it looks in person, you know more then me. In the picture it looks, well, the only word for it i guess would be "sparkly".

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Posted by WCfan on Sunday, January 4, 2009 4:57 PM

Well this colorful consist pulled into the pink desert some where in Wisconsin.

This CNW geep will soon be patched for the WC.

WC 6677, the first WC painted locomotive is also on the consist.

The new P2K geeps have the same coupler box problem. The frame is too low, and the top of the coupler box gets in the way of the couple lift bar. So you need to work with it for a bit...kind of hard to explain how I get the coupler box in there place.

The Kato needs some work too. The hand rails are...black...so they need to be painted maroon. Time to break out my air brush.

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Posted by Packer on Sunday, January 4, 2009 5:23 PM

Jordan: if you are talking about the tight fit for the coupler boxes, there's actually a different reason for that. I ran into this problems with my GP30s and GP9s. The problem is that the electonics (DCC decoder and circuitboard, or the 2 circuit boards) are a really tight fit.I found that filling the top of the small circuit board, and the tabs on the bottom of the DCC decoder or the larger circuit board fix this. If you don't correct this you'll end up with a drooping rear step.

The SDP40 kitbash is kind of low on the priority list. I'd like to finish up my other projects first.

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2. An end to the limited-production and other crap that makes models harder to get and more expensive.

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