After conferring with Jordan-
Religion and science are two different things, and neither should be used in place of the other. With that said, lets stop throwing around slander and what not, and get back to talking about trains. This is the wrong place to bring up the subject of religion
Anyways, Mom said I could order the paints I need. And now I have to order my Atlas parts. That's on the back burner at the moment, for I have to finish my module by the 23rd...
Alex
ns3010 You'll never believe this. Here's a picture of an ALP-46. Now compare it to the ALP-45DM. See anything SLIGHTLY similar? Maybe just a little. Yea, I forgot that Montreal was getting some too. NJT is getting 26, with an option for 63 more. Sadly, there is controversy that they are to replace the F40PH-2CATs and the GP40PH-2s. Yes, especially the ex-CNJ units. AFAIK, the ALP-54DM is NOT the official name. None has been announced. Again, NJT is using unproven technology (don't know if anyone know about anything that happened, but don't ask). Nothing is DM with a diesel engine and AC catenary. However, I like the PL42ACs and C5s and most of the bugs have been worked out.
You'll never believe this.
Here's a picture of an ALP-46. Now compare it to the ALP-45DM. See anything SLIGHTLY similar? Maybe just a little.
Yea, I forgot that Montreal was getting some too. NJT is getting 26, with an option for 63 more. Sadly, there is controversy that they are to replace the F40PH-2CATs and the GP40PH-2s. Yes, especially the ex-CNJ units. AFAIK, the ALP-54DM is NOT the official name. None has been announced. Again, NJT is using unproven technology (don't know if anyone know about anything that happened, but don't ask). Nothing is DM with a diesel engine and AC catenary. However, I like the PL42ACs and C5s and most of the bugs have been worked out.
Yep, they look similar! I'm sure you know, but it is actually the same picture, but with a bit of photoshopping!
As for your F40PH-2CATs and GP40PH-2s, Montreal leases them, only to have them outside a shop that burns down and rains bricks on your locos. But now it makes for some nice sights on the commuter trains.
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At my school, religion is pretty much hushed up. We learn all the general stuff about all the main religions, but we don't look at history through the Christian bible or whatever, we learn all the different theorys of evolution.
My racist history teacher says all you learn in the states is history through the bible... (and I doubt that's true)
TrainManTy Packers#1 I still have regular science, thank the lord we're through the geology section, let's jsut say that charles Darwin was high when he created the theory of evolution, and that scientists are wrong about everything, the earth is only 6,000 years old, but I won't get into that more here, b/c it's religion, but if you want to hear my argument, either PM or email me. or catch me on facebook. I disagree on you about that, of course that's a banned subject here (for good reason) but I do have one point to make: Isn't geology about rocks? I don't think the theory of evolution applies to rocks... Joe: You mean these units? If so, that's really bad news to me. Those are among my favorite units on NJT... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz6qUQeatEs
Packers#1 I still have regular science, thank the lord we're through the geology section, let's jsut say that charles Darwin was high when he created the theory of evolution, and that scientists are wrong about everything, the earth is only 6,000 years old, but I won't get into that more here, b/c it's religion, but if you want to hear my argument, either PM or email me. or catch me on facebook.
I still have regular science, thank the lord we're through the geology section, let's jsut say that charles Darwin was high when he created the theory of evolution, and that scientists are wrong about everything, the earth is only 6,000 years old, but I won't get into that more here, b/c it's religion, but if you want to hear my argument, either PM or email me. or catch me on facebook.
I disagree on you about that, of course that's a banned subject here (for good reason) but I do have one point to make: Isn't geology about rocks? I don't think the theory of evolution applies to rocks...
Joe: You mean these units? If so, that's really bad news to me. Those are among my favorite units on NJT...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz6qUQeatEs
Sadly, yes, those geeps. I personally love them. It's hard to believe that they are now in their 41st year of service. The PL42s were originally supposed to be the replacements, but there were problems with them when they arrive, but I like them. Anyway, those 13 units are the only "historic" units left. The -2As and Bs were rebuilt from GP40s. Oh, and BTW, I think that you were at Convent Station, considering that there is no convent garden... Also, how can you "disagree on" Sawyer???
Sawyer, we have those exact kinds of conversations in Theology class. Yes, I go to a Catholic HS, in case anyone was wondering.
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Packers#1I still have regular science, thank the lord we're through the geology section, let's jsut say that charles Darwin was high when he created the theory of evolution, and that scientists are wrong about everything, the earth is only 6,000 years old, but I won't get into that more here, b/c it's religion, but if you want to hear my argument, either PM or email me. or catch me on facebook.
I disagree with you about that, of course that's a banned subject here (for good reason) but I do have one point to make: Isn't geology about rocks? I don't think the theory of evolution applies to rocks...
ns3010Packers#1None of my good friends are in there, and we usually have to do group work (which absolutely SUCKS, I hate working in groups!) All my friends are in French, lol, but I'd rather not learn that, lol. Our groupwork is fun cause we do crap. Bio's even better, because we get into class conversations, which 99% of the time have nothing to do with Biology. History's fun just... because. Somehow, I ended up in 6th period, with all the "geniouses" although last quarter, I got a 99 in that class... for some reason, we can't get 100s lol. Don't even get me started about Theology...
Packers#1None of my good friends are in there, and we usually have to do group work (which absolutely SUCKS, I hate working in groups!) All my friends are in French, lol, but I'd rather not learn that, lol.
Our groupwork is fun cause we do crap. Bio's even better, because we get into class conversations, which 99% of the time have nothing to do with Biology. History's fun just... because. Somehow, I ended up in 6th period, with all the "geniouses" although last quarter, I got a 99 in that class... for some reason, we can't get 100s lol. Don't even get me started about Theology...
yeah, we get off topic in social studies, lol. I still have regular science, thank the lord we're through the geology section, let's jsut say that charles Darwin was high when he created the theory of evolution, and that scientists are wrong about everything, the earth is only 6,000 years old, but I won't get into that more here, b/c it's religion, but if you want to hear my argument, either PM or email me. or catch me on facebook.
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Building a protolanced industrial park layout
I got a 93 in Biology...
That ALP-45DM looks pretty neat! I've seen the ALP-46s, and they look pretty similar!
Yea Montreal has an order for the ALP-45DM as well. Should be quite a sight to see!
Anyway, I think I figured out the wiring for my F40, so I'll be able to add ditch lights. I also found a future project to do. It's NJTs ALP-45DM, the dual mode loco that they're getting. Maybe if I'm lucky, someone will make it as a resin shell. This thing looks like a beast. It's like an ALP-46 on steroids. Can't wait till they come. They'll most likely show up here on the Montclair-Boonton/Morristown Line ( the M-B and the Motown line combine at Denville) considering that electrification ends at Dover.
Railfan AlexWell that's a funny story to say the least! Ty, you just reminded me that school starts Monday, and I need to do my Spanish project... On the bright side, there is only 3 classes of spanish left in my life!
Well that's a funny story to say the least!
Ty, you just reminded me that school starts Monday, and I need to do my Spanish project...
On the bright side, there is only 3 classes of spanish left in my life!
Wish I had that! I'm only going to go to spanish 3 though (just need three years for Clemson), I hate it. None of my good friends are in there, and we usually have to do group work (which absolutely SUCKS, I hate working in groups!) All my friends are in French, lol, but I'd rather not learn that, lol.
Well, I did nothing on my layout today, was hanging out at a friend's house. School starts monday here, will be good to see my friends, but will suck having to do school work.
ns3010my next major project will be kitbashing my F40PH into a F40PH-2CAT. Here's my model, I removed some of the weathering because It was way to heavy, but no new picture. Here's a link to a pic of a F40PH-2CAT. Note the lack of a rear platform, which is the only noticeable difference.
Here's my model, I removed some of the weathering because It was way to heavy, but no new picture.
Here's a link to a pic of a F40PH-2CAT. Note the lack of a rear platform, which is the only noticeable difference.
Yeah, that thing looks like its in trouble. You better repaint that! that weathering is more than a bit much, lol. Gotta try and use decals for the numbers next time to, lol.
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Ah, the joys of school... Right now, I am working on my five page term paper that is due friday. I'm almost done with the first draft, and it's an easy topic. Ours is on embryonic stem cells and whether it is morally wrong or not. The other classes are on peanut allergies... Thank god for Honors Biology! And our really cool teacher.
I LOVE my spanish class. Our teacher makes us do groupwork (although we are freshman, not 1st graders). Its a great class because so many of my friends are in that class and our teacher makes fun of everyone. We have to take at least two years of a language, although three are preferred. Now only if I didn't have to take four years of english...
Anyway, I took a look at my F40 before, and I think it should be pretty easy. From what I can tell, the back of the hood is the same, but all the pix I could find were all from the right side. If it is the same, I'll simply cut off the back portion and fill in the rest with styrene. That is, assuming that the overall length is the same, which I'm pretty sure it is. Hopefully, I'll be able to add ditch lights, if I can figure out the wiring. Most likely, I'll just connect them to the same output as the front headlight. I'm still trying to figure out how to open the geep. My layout will be done, and I'll have graduated college by the time I figure this out...
Tyler, going back to your question about the industries: When the Lackawanna built the line in 1923, there were no industries along the line. It was simply a corridor between NYC and Scranton. When NS rehabilitated the line, they also owned a lot of land adjacent to the track. They built sidings and sold this land to major companies as a way to advertise the line, so that it would be prosperous. So basically, they used the land that they owned as a way to make money, both by selling it, and creating freight traffic.
Maybe I'll start working on my F40 tonight. Maybe not cutting or any building (complete lack of supplies), but I'll remove the shell and start planning it out.
Oh, its a hydrogen cell.
Ah, just kidding. Funny story about that...
This is an old locomotive. I got it quite a few years ago for Christmas. Well anyway, my younger brother has a friend who I wish would take stuff more seriously. One weekend, I was away, and he came to our house. Without my knowing, they decided to take it for a spin. Well, they ran it too fast, and it ran into a Santa Fe F3. As you may have guessed, it fell off the side of the table, and four feet to the ground... I came back the next day, and the fuel tank was gone and the front snowplow was cracked, and the front coupler was snapped. At least, since the front coupler is never used on a passenger locomotive, that wasn't a big deal. Still never found th fuel tank, so I just gave up. However, I got used to it and I kinda forgot about it until you said that.
So, actually that adds more to my project: extend hood (done on prototype to make room for caterpillar engine), add fuel tank, and get front coupler.
It's a model for the new solar powered engines!
Donde esta un fuel tanko?
Thanks.
Here's a little more info on the area (real world) for anyone (AFAIK everyone) who isn't familiar with the area.
Port Morris is located in Roxbury, which is near Lake Hopatcong (which is where I am). It is about an hour from NYC and less than an hour from PA and the DWG (Delaware Water Gap). It is currently a layover yard for NJT between Lake Hopatcong and Netcong. It is also the junction of the Lackawanna Cutoff, a rail line to Scranton, PA built by the DL&W in 1908- I think- as a double track main. In 1958, just before merging with the Erie, the Lackawanna single tracked the entire route. Through all of the E-L time and the beginning years of Conrail, the line received little use. Conrail, unhappy with steep grades in NJ and the Pocono Mountains in PA, put the line out of service in 1979. All trackage was removed in 1984. For over 20 years, there has been debate over what to do with the line. In recent years, NJ Transit has talked about reviving passenger service to Scranton. Although nothing has been done, they plan to have the first seven miles from Port Morris to Andover designed by 2010 (which shocks me, considering that they are taking two years to design an existing ROW?)
The Watchinson Secondary which I model, never existed.
My next major project will be kitbashing my F40PH into a F40PH-2CAT.
Vincent: I'm not really sure what you mean. Do you need an SDP35 shell or not?
Joe: Your history sounds good to me. It helps that I don't know the area well; my cousins live just East of Morristown (within walking distance of the M&E!), but I've never been West/North of there. Does NS run on the old line to Scranton? I do have one (minor) point to make: railroads don't usually build a spur then sell it to an industry. Normally they talk to industries located along the ROW then agree to build a spur to them. Also they might encourage a company to build their new plant along the ROW like your Magic Pan Bakeries and then construct a spur.
It doesn't change anything about the model, but it might be a good idea to change in your history.
Vincent, that's a tough kit bash. The SD40 and SDP40 have almost the same frame lengths. (The SD40 was an inch and a half longer, but big deal there) The problem you'll have is that a SDP40 is like a SD45, it just fits on the fame.
I think you could get away with cutting the long hood of a SD45 off and placing a SD40 hood on there. Then adding a SDP40 steam generator to the end. The rear pilot looks almost exactly the same as a SD45T-2 pilot that they used. One thing I notice is that you'll have to add another hood door between the Steam generator and SD40 long hood. For the fuel tank, your idea seems the best. The SD45T-2 tank I think had a larger fuel capacity.
Can't wait to see progress!
I hope to work on my SDL39 tomorrow; maybe I can cut out one of the long hoods and get that semi finished. I haven't yet picked up my parts.
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Just do what the directions on the bottle say. Floquil dust is already pretty diluted. And only do one coat of paint at a time. Its easy to say, "it looks like it needs one more" when you're painting it, but when it dries, its likely to come out different. that unit really isn't all that dusty, and you may be better off using a brush for some of it and just making a "wash".
just don't forget to properly mask.
I was wondering if somebody could help me with weathering with an airbrush, here's the prototypical picture, http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=219828&nseq=0. I think the closest color is Floquil Dust, if not, please correct me. I would like to know, the paint to thinner ratio and psi rate. Thanks everybody for the kind comments!
ns3010 Green Elite Cab, your Arrow IIIs are looking good. Just wondering, what do you plan on doing with the windows? Also, I'm getting ready to buy my PL42, and I was wondering what drive you did/will use to power yours?
Green Elite Cab, your Arrow IIIs are looking good. Just wondering, what do you plan on doing with the windows? Also, I'm getting ready to buy my PL42, and I was wondering what drive you did/will use to power yours?
As a general modeling policy, i add windows only after the last coat of paint and most of the decal work is done. windows are to easily damaged by everything, and i don't feel like having to pay for new windows from IHP. The kit comes with flush window inserts. I just haven't cut the windows out yet (in hindsight, i probably should now that i'm painting it). the plastic over the windows is paper thin, though, so all i need to do is *** a hole and start slicing, and most of the time you can easly cut the windows out. they you just need to sand and file, no problem.
I expect to use an old AMD 103 drive train, but because they say they have their own powere chassis coming out soon, i'm going to wait and see.
Here's the area rail map. Please bear with me as it is a rough (very, very rough) sketch. Not to scale
Black lines are state boundaries and red are counties. Green dots are cities and towns. Blue line is Morristown Line. Yellow is Lackawanna Cutoff. Purple is Watchinson Secondary. Oh, and by the way, the NJ/PA border is the Delaware River, in case you didn't know.
Everything on map is the same as in real life, only the WS is fictional.
And in case anyone was wondering, I had absolutely not trouble creating my history, because there were no ifs, ands, or buts. That, and the fact that I know the area considering that I live five minutes away from the Lackawanna Cutoff and 30 from Morristown. But anyway, when creating your history, don't make it complicated.
Joe and demonwolf, great histories! as for mine, I compeltely changed it again (the result of an imagination and no work on my layout), so now I have to re-write most of it.
Tyler, The only part I'd really need from the atlas SDP35 would be the sill and maybe the fuel tank, just to get at the rear pilot. I've been looking around on an way to do this, and I think I may have found something.
I could get a Kato SD45 and get rid of the long hood. Then replace the long hood of the SD45 with the one from the SD40. That just leaves the rear pilot of the SD45 which would have to be sawed and replaced with the rear pilot section of an Atlas SDP35. That just leaves the steam generator section and water/fuel tank to question....
I think that Cannon makes the steam generator section for an SDP40 (the one on an SDP35 looks reversed compared to the one on an SDP40), the fuel/water tank I haven't quite figured out. Maybe part of the atlas SDP35 fuel tank (the smaller half), and part of the Kato SD45/SD40 fuel tank (depends if it's a seperate pice)
Here's a BN SDP40:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=253172&nseq=5
An SD40:
http://espee.railfan.net/nonindex/sd40_photos/8479_sp-sd40-bob_dengler.jpg
an SD45:
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/9504/sp8990victoriatxsag1.jpg
(I know the last 2 are SP, but the angle of the shots on the units is really close)
Vincent
Wants: 1. high-quality, sound equipped, SD40-2s, C636s, C30-7s, and F-units in BN. As for ones that don't cost an arm and a leg, that's out of the question....
2. An end to the limited-production and other crap that makes models harder to get and more expensive.
Well, since we're all sharing our railroad's history, I guess I'll tell mine.
The early 20th century was a prosperous time for the Delaware, Lackawanna & Western. With their Lackawanna Cut-Off having been a great success, they decided to build a second rail line to Scranton. Construction started in 1923 and was completed in 1925. The line separated from the Morristown Line in Morristown, NJ. The line hooked north through to northern Sussex County and became known as the Watchinson Line. It continued through the towns of Franklin, Hamburg, and Sussex. The line then continued through the outer edge of the Township of Watchinson before crossing the Delaware River and going to Scranton. The line was used mostly for express train service between Scranton and New York City. In 1955, the track was damaged by Hurricane Diane, and the Lackawanna was in such bad shape that it was not worth replacing. Following the years after, the right of way was neglected by the Erie-Lackawanna, and later by Conrail. In 2007, Conrail successor Norfolk Southern decided to rehabilitate the line. It was renamed the Watchinson Secondary. The line received new and improved track. In 2008, NS constructed several sidings along the line and sold them to industries. The largest of these, located in Watchinson, NJ, was sold to Magic Pan Bakeries, which built their new plant at the site. Few trains travel the line every day, and service is expected to grow. New Jersey Transit is also preparing to add passenger service from Morristown to Watchinson.
And that's about it. I'm still planning a lot for the layout, which will add more, but that's later.
Demonwolf: I like your freelanced history! Very beliveable, as CSX (and predecessor Conrail) are well known for selling and/or leasing unprofitable branch lines.
Vincent: I have an Atlas SDP35 (which is currently sidelined with a freak electrical bug) and am very satisfied with it. I'd personally use the Atlas drive and a Rail Power or other manufacturer shell. The Atlas drive is top-notch. If you're having trouble finding an SDP35 shell, I'd be willing to trade mine for a standard SD35 shell.
OK, so Tyler, just do what you want with the DDWH.
Man, soldering is so easy once you get the hang of it. I almost got the yard's rail joints soldered. Almost train running time!
Well I had been think of getting a Kato SD40 and an Atlas SDP35 shell to kitbash into an SDP40, namely 1976 which pulled the American Freedom Train at one point.
As it turns out, the rear section of the SDP35 and SDP40 are different, which is what the SDP35 was for. What complicates the build even more is that the SDP40 has would have to have a longer frame, and an a water tank put in. So going the Kato/Atlas route won't work.
I'm looking around for another way to go at this, and so far, all I'm coming up with is using an RPP SD40 shell, and athearn F45/SDP40 frame, and kitbashing the steam generator section. I can't find a photograph of the rear part of the athearn SDP40 (which was a fattie) to see if it might be possible to cut it in half down the hood and pilot are to bring the steam generator section to scale. If that actually (doubt it since it's a one piece casting) works, the bash would be easier.
More than likely, modeling the entire BN bicentanial fleet (everything but the SDP40 is available in plastic) will have to wait a while.
I don't know if everybody is talking prototypical lines, or freelanced, but I'll take a shot at my freelanced line:
The Beginning
Back in 1987, a wealthy group of investors created a line based out of Henderson North Carolina called Henderson Valley Lines. They bought 12 miles of low quality trackage off of CSX, which equalled up to code 55 in HO scale. Clichfield closed down four years before this, and Henderson Valley Lines bought their prime mover, a Family Lines, GP38-2, with Clinchfield reporting marks. Henderson Valley Lines was born.
Trackage
With the equivilent of Code 55 rail in HO, Henderson Valley Lines could not run high speeds. At the highest of 15mph. As of now, Henderson Valley Lines has a total of 12 miles of trackage, with a 5 mile branch that leads to an interchange with CSX. Henderson Valley Lines has a 4 track yard 2 miles from there headquaters in Henderson, NC.
Industries
Like other shortlines, Henderson Valley Lines keeps in close contact with it's customers. With a total of 15 industries. (I model two of them, Quality Investment Casting, and Tricon Timber Inc. with the exeption of a team track.) Henderson Valley Lines picks up the cars at the interchange with CSX, then drops the loaded cars off the industries.
Operations
Henderson Valley Lines runs on a regular basis, every day starting at 7:00am, till whenever all the industries are switched. The local usually returns, "light" meaning without any cars to the yard. Whenever service is highly in demand, Henderson Valley Lines usually runs with it's other GP38-2, a Conrail Quality HVL bought off of CSX back in 2004. Henderson Valley Lines runs excursion trains anually, usally on a Saturday in August, with their Erie F3 A-B units.
So that's about all you need to know about prototypicaly. Tell me if this is 100% accurate when it comes to location.