tatans wrote:I rescued a brass United 4-8-2 Berkshire and sort of brought it back to life, I have tried to get the matching tender to no avail, but I did get a beautiful mint Key NYC 12 wheel tender for a great, great bargain. The engine is unpainted but the tender is painted and lettered, now, this tender with this engine look magnificent, I'm lucky enough to have a friend who paints professionaly and he will paint the loco, what railroad should the locomotive represent ? ? I know proto it's the wrong combination for authenticity. This problem could be solved by money(purchase the correct tender) I can live with the wrong tender as it's a beauty. Anyone out there willing to suggest an answer without sending over 3 ex-MR goons to work me over ? will appreciate any input. By the way, has anyone else ever done this to a locomotive????
You are in trouble with the MR police for sure. Expect a knock at you door anytime.
Just for the record, a Berkshire is a 2-8-4 even if you are looking at it backwards.
A mountain is a 4-8-2.
Which do you have?????
The real prototypes actually had tender changes and replacements so your private road would be OK with any tender that is close to the size. IF you have ash pans, don't use an oil tender or the Brass Ash Pans and Tender Cops will show up.
Cheers
Tender swapping during the steam happened fairly often...Old tenders also found their way into MOW service....Its your railroad run it like you want.....Cox 47
tatans wrote:2-8-4, 2-8-4, 2-8-4 ! !(I was holding it in my left hand ) sorry, and it's all coal steam.
If that's what the exhaust sounds like, it must have three cylinders .
Well, let's see. You could pretend the N&W - VGN merger happened while both were still running steam, and that N&W replaced the tender on an ex-VGN Berk with something purchased elsewhere. After all, they did replace worn-out tenders on 2-8-8-2s with more serviceable ones purchased from the RF&P. I'll bet that 2-8-4 would look good sandwiched between a USRA 0-8-0 and a Class A 2-8-8-4!
OTOH, you could simply choose a suitable freelance road name. You might want to choose a real-world area suitable for the operation of fast freights behind 2-8-4's. Or you could simply slip over into another universe and pretend that the Neil Armstrong universe we live in is a figment of some science fiction writer's imagination. Then, when you get to the mountains, your Berk could hand that fast freight off to a Bayer-Garratt (or, maybe, a successful steam-electric...)
Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - with locomotives that never existed)
Expect a knock, usually at 3 a.m. Don't open the door, but remind them that there is a toll bridge that people are crossing right now, and the little trolls will run back home!
It's your engine, as long as it puts a smile on your face, who can say you are wrong?
This from a guy with 2 Lionel HO FA's with Walthers FA chassis under them, cuz I want my first engines to run as well as the rest of them!
This is only acceptable if you stamp UNPROTOTYPICAL in big white letters on both sides. Otherwise it constitutes a fraudulent attempt to mislead the public who would otherwise believe this to be a real steam locomotive.
Enjoy
Paul
tatans wrote:2-8-4, 2-8-4, 2-8-4 ! !(I was holding it in my left hand ) .
Don't feel bad...I made the same mistake with a PRR T1
Scott - Dispatcher, Norfolk Southern
From the far, far reaches of the wild, wild west I am: rtpoteet
IRONROOSTER wrote: This is only acceptable if you stamp UNPROTOTYPICAL in big white letters on both sides. Otherwise it constitutes a fraudulent attempt to mislead the public who would otherwise believe this to be a real steam locomotive. EnjoyPaul
No.
EXPERIMENTAL!
At least in the FAA that is PROTOTYPICAL!
It's your engine! Do what YOU want!
R. T. POTEET wrote:They used to compel you to listen to two hours of Hillary Clinton congressional speeches but that was even too barbaric for MR and that practice ended after several mental collapses a few years past.
Hey! That's my senator you're talking about. You should show proper respect and call her Ms. Carpetbagger Clinton.
MS is in mistake, misguided, misanthropomorphic, etc. If you think her speeches are bad you should listen to her mentor, Chukles Schumer. Yikes!
Sorry for going off topic, the woman just drives me crazy.
The mind is like a parachute. It works better when it's open. www.stremy.net
R. T. POTEET wrote:tatans, one of the more hideous punishments imposed for your type infraction is you will be confined to a dark room and condemned to watch eight hours of I Dream of Jeannie reruns. I will guarantee that after this fate you will never do anything like this again. They used to compel you to listen to two hours of Hillary Clinton congressional speeches but that was even too barbaric for MR and that practice ended after several mental collapses a few years past.
Reminds me of the line from "Sleeper" when Woody Allen was asked about a video showing Howard Cosell. He told his questioner that it was used on prisoners as punishment.
Hold on, I hear a knock at the door....... hello, why yes, I am still running Athearn cars decorated for railroads that never had them, WHAT! well can I at least put some pants on before you haul me away?!?
Rick
WLE did a bit of "tender swapping" back in the day as I recall. I wish I could check the WLE book we have for further info but it's checked out yet again! Written by John Corns-the MAN when it comes to WLE & other local RR info.
RedGrey62 wrote: Hold on, I hear a knock at the door....... hello, why yes, I am still running Athearn cars decorated for railroads that never had them, WHAT! well can I at least put some pants on before you haul me away?!?Rick
ALTERNATE SCENARIO #1:
"Hello. Why, yes, I'm running seven-axle articulated hoppers that used to be Athearn BB 4-bays. Say WHAT?"
CLANK!!! Thud. whooosh. KLIK!
"Hello, North Las Vegas PD. There's some idiot in my deadfall cell that threatened to kidnap me. Can you send an officer around to take him to the slammer? Yes, I WILL be preferring charges..."
ALTERNATE SCENARIO #2:
"Hello. Why, yes, I'm running a 2-6-6-2T, even though no such locomotive ever ran in Japan. Say WHAT?"
KABLAM!!! (Claymorettes going off.)
To self; "Darn it, now I'll have to hose down the stoop and disinfect the front yard."
Just kidding, folks. You can bet your life on it.
Chuck (more or less modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - in the Ballox O'Malley universe)
May I make so bold as to inquire WHAT United Berkshire you have? IIRC United produced both a NKP one and an Erie one, and perhaps not only those.
Marlon
See pictures of the Clinton-Golden Valley RR
Tom Curtin wrote: May I make so bold as to inquire WHAT United Berkshire you have? IIRC United produced both a NKP one and an Erie one, and perhaps not only those.
I guess another question is how do I tell just what exact model Berk. it is??? I realized there were a couple of models and even tried to differentiate the 2, but to no avail, can you offer any help to distinguish??? (no box,no information) thanks
Safety Valve wrote: IRONROOSTER wrote: This is only acceptable if you stamp UNPROTOTYPICAL in big white letters on both sides. Otherwise it constitutes a fraudulent attempt to mislead the public who would otherwise believe this to be a real steam locomotive. EnjoyPaul No. EXPERIMENTAL!At least in the FAA that is PROTOTYPICAL!It's your engine! Do what YOU want!
Okay, okay I stand corrected. EXPERIMENTAL
Jeez, every thread has a rivet counter.