Dave Vollmer wrote: The only source of shame in this game is the kind we bring upon ourselves if we fret endlessly over how someone else's layout is bigger, better, farther along, etc., ...
The only source of shame in this game is the kind we bring upon ourselves if we fret endlessly over how someone else's layout is bigger, better, farther along, etc., ...
...and do nothing about it! Envy can be a great motivator, but it brings a huge cost and that is usually a loathing...of one's own unmet aspirations and of the standard to which you aspire.
So, yes, I agree with you, Dave. It is a shame to fret endlessly and take no steps to rectify...if the other standard is worthy. And that begs the question, don't it.
selector wrote:...and do nothing about it! Envy can be a great motivator, but it brings a huge cost and that is usually a loathing...of one's own unmet aspirations and of the standard to which you aspire.So, yes, I agree with you, Dave. It is a shame to fret endlessly and take no steps to rectify...if the other standard is worthy. And that begs the question, don't it.
I was staying out of this controversy, but you just took the words from my mouth, Selector. Anyone truly secure about their own talents wouldn't feel compelled to bash the work of others.
How many of today's top model railroaders were inspired in childhood by 3 rails, 27 inch radii, and foreshortened locomotives? More than a few. Darn that unprototypical Lionel.
Nelson
Ex-Southern 385 Being Hoisted
SteamFreak wrote: Anyone truly secure about their own talents wouldn't feel compelled to bash the work of others.
Anyone truly secure about their own talents wouldn't feel compelled to bash the work of others.
It means that NO ONE can critique the work of anyone else, because if he does, why, then, he's insecure.
I guess this board (and the world in general) is now relegated to people giving each other "attaboys," no matter what they think of the modeling they see.
Perhaps the "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" concept is what you want?
Nope. I have an opinion and the fact that it is critical does not make me insecure nor does it mean I will refrain from expressing it.
Midnight Railroader wrote: SteamFreak wrote: Anyone truly secure about their own talents wouldn't feel compelled to bash the work of others.That's quite a leap you've taken. It means that NO ONE can critique the work of anyone else, because if he does, why, then, he's insecure.
He said "bash", not "critique". There's a big difference between the two IMO.
Midnight Railroader wrote: SunsetLimited wrote: the goal is to build a believable display If that's the goal, then they failed to achieve it. Which was my point in the first place. Thanks for helping me make it.
SunsetLimited wrote: the goal is to build a believable display
I didn't mean believable in that Las Vegas is going to be right next to the alps, i meant believable in that bridge looking like it belongs there, its not just a useless bridge on the layout, or the roads blending well with the sidewalks and terrain. Even with several different locales, they blend well into a nice display, that was my meaning. Sorry for the confusion.
SunsetLimited wrote:I agree with the above post, its a great example of what can be accomplished. Just because its not another dingy steam era layout or some lame shelf switching job that if taken to a show most of the crowd would pass right by or fall asleep looking at, doesn't mean its not a model railroad if thats what they designed it to be, if they designed it to be a model world of transportation thats cool to. Its a great example of both, and thats what the crowds want.
I think this public display layout will draw more people into the hobby because this layout is as much a model railroad as the ones that strive for perfect realism. As for it being "another dingy steam era railroad," VIVA STEAM!!
on30francisco wrote: SunsetLimited wrote:I agree with the above post, its a great example of what can be accomplished. Just because its not another dingy steam era layout or some lame shelf switching job that if taken to a show most of the crowd would pass right by or fall asleep looking at, doesn't mean its not a model railroad if thats what they designed it to be, if they designed it to be a model world of transportation thats cool to. Its a great example of both, and thats what the crowds want.I think this public display layout will draw more people into the hobby because this layout is as much a model railroad as the ones that strive for perfect realism. As for it being "another dingy steam era railroad," VIVA STEAM!!
All I gotta say is...that's ONE high scorin' soccer (football) game!
Tom
https://tstage9.wixsite.com/nyc-modeling
Time...It marches on...without ever turning around to see if anyone is even keeping in step.
I TOO HAVE BEEN STAYING OUT OF THIS "CRITIQUE" BY THOSE WHO OFTEN HAVE NOTHING GOOD TO SAY ABOUT MOST OF THE POSTS. THIS LAYOUT WAS NOT CREATED FOR "PURISTS" TO NIT PICK, IT WAS CREATED TO BE A DISPLAY FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF MANY. IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT - TOO BAD!! - IT'S THEIR LAYOUT!! MODEL RAILROADING IS A VAST HOBBY. MANY OF THE POSTERS HERE ARE SUPERB MODELERS, AND A FEW, LIKE ME, DON'T HAVE THE TIME OR EYESIGHT TO COUNT RIVITS. IF YOU LIKE TO COUNT RIVITS, GOOD, I'LL NOT TELL YOU NOT TO MAKE THE PERFECT MODEL OF "WHATEVER", BUT DON'T TELL ME THE BOTTLE BRUSH CHRISTMAS TREES I PUT ON THE LAYOUT FOR MY GRANDSONS AT CHRISTMAS TIME ARE NOT "CORRECT" - I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU THINK, I DO IT FOR MY GRANDSONS' AND MY ENJOYMENT!!!
TOO MANY THREADS DIGRESS INTO PERSONAL DISAGREEMENTS - I WAS IN ONE SOME MONTHS AGO UNTILL I REMOVED MY HEAD FROM MY AND STOPPED THE BACK & FORTH WITH AN APOLOGY.
MAYBE BERGIE SHOULD ADD A RULE ABOUT BEING PLAIN UNPLEASANT!!
IT'S MY (OUR) RAILROAD & I'LL (WE'LL) RUN IT THE WAY WWE DARN PLEASE!!!
briandugas wrote:Did anyone catch that last picture in the series? What were those people doing in that field of flowers?
I was wondering that myself, as the effort has "no basis in reality", or so it's been said.
lvanhen wrote: IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT - TOO BAD!! - IT'S THEIR LAYOUT!!
IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT - TOO BAD!! - IT'S THEIR LAYOUT!!
If you don't agree with my opinion of the display - too bad! - it's my opinion and I'll still express it.
"It is not what goes into your mouth that defiles you, but what comes out of it."
Bye, folks.
Fascinating layout, Mr B, with plenty to fire the imagination of modellers and non-modellers alike. Thanks for showing it. I'd certainly like to see it.
Mike
Modelling the UK in 00, and New England - MEC, B&M, D&H and Guilford - in H0
Bill H. wrote: briandugas wrote:Did anyone catch that last picture in the series? What were those people doing in that field of flowers?I was wondering that myself, as the effort has "no basis in reality", or so it's been said.
Rather looks like they're picking the sunflowers. A couple of weeks from now you'll be able to buy the seeds (the black spot in the middle of the flower,) shelled or unshelled, at your favorite convenience store...
Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)
Wow, is it the phase of the moon? Maybe we've all got cabin fever? Did the early switch to Daylight Savings Time throw our internal clocks out of sync?
I just thought it was interesting. Not good, bad or ugly, just interesting.
If it was mine, I'd have put John, Paul, George and Ringo on Mount Rushmore. And it would have been American football, Pats 52, Colts 3. Sorry, Peyton. That's what you get for runnin' down your Mom like that.
It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse.
After reading all these posts before I looked at the pictures, I must say I was surprised. I was expecting some really toy like junk. While it was no where close to some of the wonderful layouts I've seen, it is certainly better than most I've seen.
I was very disapointed that it seemed to have all the cliché scenes - building on fire, "working" drive in theater, animals excapting from the zoo, splendor in the grass (or sunflowers in this case), etc.
Am I mistaken, or wasn't this layout featured in MR several years ago? Seems to me there was an article about a very large layout in Hamburg. I think I remember the Soccer field, which at the time was in the process of being built. And at the time, some plans to include some US prototype modeling in the future.
I've seen several rather nice European layouts, and for me at least, the trains are not necessarily the 'focal' point, as much as they are part of the entire miniature world. I think it's a difference in perspective, not better or worse, but just different. And let's face it, if any of us had access to a space the size of a warehouse, wouldn't we want our trains to operate through at least SOME interesting scenic places? For myself--wow, I could do the ENTIRE Sierra Nevada's. Plus, a couple of really BIG yards!
Tom View my layout photos! http://s299.photobucket.com/albums/mm310/TWhite-014/Rio%20Grande%20Yuba%20River%20Sub One can NEVER have too many Articulateds!