The C&S and the FW&D did have old logo's from long ago. They were subsidiaries of the Burlington and the steam & diesel engines were basically painted to match the Burlington, with just 'FW&D' or 'C&S' initials on the cab. They used the standard Burlington logo. For what it's worth:
C&S/FW&D were part of the CB&Q, but their 'paper' status lasted into the BN merger and the legal status was not gone until the mid 70's.
BN was formed in 1970, and made up of the GN/NP/SP&S/CB&Q. SLSF(Frisco) was merged into the BN about 1980. in the 1990's BN and ATSF merged into the BNSF....
Jim
Modeling BNSF and Milwaukee Road in SW Wisconsin
I am not a U.S. railway historian; this is just something I found while doing other research:
The present BNSF main across northern Arizona was built as the Atlantic and Pacific Railroad. How it became part of the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe deponent saith not.
Incidentally, the lyrics of the old song claimed that the "list of passengers that's mighty big," had traveled, "All the way from Phil-ah-dul-fiy-ay, on the Atchison, Topeka and the Santa Fe." I often wondered what Pennsy thought of that. (I doubt that the AT&SF had trackage rights.)
Chuck
Johnny Mercer's lyrics were done for the movie 'The Harvey Girls',
and ''Phila-delph-eye- aye'' (Penn.) and ''Brown's Hotel'' (Denver) were not on the AT&SF mainline - nor was Judy Garland (F. Gumm) ever a Harvey Girl. So?
It was a movie, (and a pretty good one), loosely based on a factual history of restaurant mogul Fred Harvey at a time when pre-diner passengers debarked their trains for meals.
Fred has been credited for settling the west with females, who stayed and married. (I thought Lisap would be interested).
The BNSF web site would be a good starting point. They have a short history of the major railroads that make up the BNSF along with it's herald.
http://www.bnsf.com/aboutbnsf/history/index.html
Bobby
colvinbackshop wrote:Did the CB&Q have a herald, other than the Burlington Route?
Did it become the Burlington Route after mergers with the Fort Worth & Denver and the Colorado & Southern or were they subsidiaries in the first place?
How about the AT&SF? What happened to "Atchison & Topeka"? Did the Santa Fe have mergers with other railroads along the way?
The only modern railroad the ATSF merged with was the TP&W or the Toledo, Peoria and Western. This happened in the mid 80s. In the early 90s, the ATSF spun off the former TP& W
Ch
MP 53 on the BNSF Topeka Sub
"The NP was the result of many many mergers and aquistions (a really convoluted history I won't even try to abbreviate, other than mentioning the original Chicago St. Paul Minneapolis & Omaha Railway)."
Say what now?? Northern Pacific was chartered in 1864 as the Northern Pacific Railway. I got to see the charter (signed by President Lincoln) while working on a law case involving the BN. Except for buying a half interest in the CB&Q and SP&S, it was pretty much just the NP until the BN merger in 1970. Not sure that the Omaha was ever connected to the NP, unless it was some small section of joint line in the 19th c. or something?? The Omaha for decades was a part of the Chicago & Northwestern system, their engines kept the C.St.P.M.&O. sublettering into the diesel era.
wjstix wrote:Say what now?? Northern Pacific was chartered in 1864 as the Northern Pacific Railway. I got to see the charter (signed by President Lincoln) while working on a law case involving the BN.
The Omaha for decades was a part of the Chicago & Northwestern system, their engines kept the C.St.P.M.&O. sublettering into the diesel era.
Well....
Thanks for all the input!! Yes, I know that in going way back, it sometimes seems extremely involved.
"But and So", in going back to the early 1900's and possibly the late 1800's it looks like a merger of 10 to 12 RR's: GN, CB&Q, Colorado Midland, FW&D, Colorado & Southern, NP, SP&S, St.L&SF, AT&SF, Toledo Peoria & Western, Kansas & Oklahoma and maybe the Oregon Trunk and Atlantic & Pacific (and I'm not sure I even know or recall what these roads really were) were the major players in the now BNSF.
An additional, thought / question...
Other than Signal Signs and Historic Rail, does anybody have a good outlet for heralds, some of which may be a bit obscure (I've never even seen a CB&Q one available)? If need be I can make some...But...I would rather have "professorial" looking heralds if I can find them.
Thanks!
Texas Zepher wrote:Of course don't forget that the Burlington Northern & Santa Fe just became the BNSF a little over a year ago.
As 'Stix' mentioned, the NP was one of the original federal land grant railroads, chartered from Lake Superior to Puget Sound. The 'Omaha' connection was jut that - A connection to move traffic to Chicago. The 'Chicago, Burlington & Northern'(the 'Q' river line) was financed by the Hill interests(The GN controlled the NP by this time) to provide a secure connection from St Paul to Chicago.