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i think the topic starter is talking about "train set" models (P2K is very, very expensive ) the train-set models (which cost about $30 for a loco) are junk- they have a tiny motor that only drives one truck, they have high-pitched gear noise , they run rough- i'm on a VERY tight budget and i only buy more expensive stuff (athearn, atlas, ect.) a used Athearn can be had for $20 and they're 100 times the loco that L-L is- Athearn has a large motor w/ dual flywheels and it drives all the wheels and they're quieter than L-L <br /><font color="red">alexander13</font id="red"> please tell us what you're reffering to- Life-Like "train-set", Life-Like PROTO 1000, or Life-Like PROTO 2000 - P2K and P1K are quite good.
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