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[quote]QUOTE: Originally posted by Paul3 Then why would they be advertising brand new F3A-B sets on their own website for only $145?[/quote] I do not know. I was just giving you the source of my information. It is entirely likely that it is a misprint. But thats what the add says. [quote]QUOTE: Let me see if I get this straight. You are comparing a sale price at an LHS to the full MSRP? [/quote] No I am not, I was just stating what I paid. The former MSRP for a single AB set is $94.95 Given the new MSRP that I saw. The $165.00 from the flyer, I saw a $70.00 or so (Nearly double) increace in price without any changes to the thing what so ever. Besides, the Proto 1000 was supposed to be the not nearly as pricey no-frills compared to the Proto-2000 and was supposed to stay in continous production. One more promise made broken. [quote]QUOTE: The hobby is what you make of it. If you want to be a model builder that occasionally runs trains, then go right ahead. I'd rather be a guy that models railroad operations that occasionally builds models. But that's the nice thing about model railroading. Everyone who owns a Thomas the Tank Engine to Tony Koester is a model railroader...it's a big enough hobby for everyone. BTW, if the difficulty of construction is more important than the actual running characteristics, then why don't you just scratch build everything? Why are you even buying Athearn models (the definition of shake-the-box modeling), let alone P1K's? Cast your own out of resin or lead, or build it from stryene or brass. Why complain what a Walthers flyer says is the price of something you don't seem to get much enjoyment from anyways?[/quote] First off I don't want to be a model builder that occasionally runs trains. I want to be a model builder that runs trains. I do scratchbuild several items. But F-units I can not do because I do not have a miniature english wheel to roll out the compound curves. Then if I did have one, I wouldn't know how to use it. Then since I am a model builder who runs trains, I can't spend 40 something months building a locomotive or freight car. Becasue well, I have trains to run. So to get what I need I am fond of the Kitbash. Since SDP40s are hard to come by and the one that was made is out of scale. I have taken several SD40-2s and out of these am making the Locomotives that I need. My next project is taking some SD60s and slicing, dicing, and glueing back to gether and when I am done will have an SDP45. Which are only available in brass. Then I like Athearns for the simple fact that they can drop five feet off the edge of the layout onto the floor and survive. Then adding extra detail to these locomotives, is well fun. [quote]QUOTE: Apparently, realism is not your goal. GP7's and GP9's are also very simular in appearance, but I would never buy a GP7 and paint it up for New Haven because the NH had GP9's, not GP7's. It would be wrong. F3's and F7's are even more dissimular, and if the NH had either one, I would not use the other as a "substitute" because that would not be realistic, but to each their own. I suppose you would also find the NH's FL9's "substitutable" with F7's or F3's, as well...[/quote] Realism is a personal goal of mine. However I urge you to consider the case of Mr. Bob. Mr. Bob is new to model railroading. He is looking at the counter in the hobby shop and sees these two locomives in the display case. An F-7 and an F-3. There is a selection of these two roadnames to choose from. There are F-7s in Santa Fe, There are F3s in Santa Fe, There are F7s for Union Pacific, F3s for Union Pacific. F7s for B&O and F3s for B&O. So to Mr Bob. Who probably doesn;t know that the F-7 is the F3s replacement and that the two are somewhat mutually exclusive for some roads. He just sees two similar locomotives from two different model manufactures. Before Horizon he probably would have gone for the Athearn BB becasue, It is less expensive, than the P 1K loco. As for the FL-9s and F-7s being substitutable. I don't think so. That extra axal on the rear truck is a pretty glaring difference. However an FP-7 with a Three Axal rear truck. I would consider that good eneugh to get the varnish down the road. [quote]QUOTE: Take a look at the NH scheme on the Athearn BB F-units. Totally bogus in every detail except they got the color black and white correct. Besides the fact that the model is an F7 and not an FL9, the logos are the wrong shape and in the wrong places, the numbers are supposed to be 2000-2059, not 0272, the FL9's only had one head light, the orange is not supposed to be that shade, the "NEW HAVEN" on the side of the loco is wrong, the NH never had EMD B-units but Athearn makes them, the striping around the nose is a joke, etc. A total fantasy paint scheme. Revell got it right, for pete's sake.[/quote] Shows how much I pay attention to the New Haven. As for the F-unit scheme being bogus. Kind of hard to tell, Wern't they the RR company with a corporate Identity Crisis? Don Ball's Book "America's Colorful Railraods stated that at one time the New Haven had something like 12 different paint schemes on the rails at one time. What is up with that? So if the F-Unit has the wrong paint scheme. With that much variation who would notice? One thing is for sure makes for a colorful locomotive roster though. [quote]QUOTE: Good. Does this mean you'll stop complaining about high prices?[/quote] No because that is how much locomotives are supposed to cost. James.
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