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[quote]QUOTE: Originally posted by Paul3 Ignoring the usual banter about the future of model railroading and getting back to the original post... Student of Big Sky Blue, You said that the Walthers flyer listed F3A-B (I assume ex-LLP1K) sets for $165. Then why is it that when I search Walthers' website, I can only find the brand new (expected 10-31-05) ex-LLP1K F3A-B sets for $145?[/quote] In my Sept. Walthers Flyer, On Page 8. It shows a P1K F3 AB set price stated is $165. [quote]QUOTE: As far as your assertion that these models are "only slightly better than old Athearn Blue Box F-7s", then I would suggest you need to actually compare them, side by side. The F3 drives (smooth & quiet) are vastly superior to the old BB F7's (rough and loud). then, you don't have the "cookout in the cab" lightbulb in the F3's, unlike the BB F7's. [/quote] I have. I bought both AB sets when P-1K introduced the GN roadname. As a matter of fact. The hobby shop I purchased them at was celebrating 50 Years being in business and I picked them both up for a grand total of $90.00 I also have serveral F-7s A and Bs from Athearn. This gives me very good grounds to compare the two. Here is what the P-1K has over the the Athearn BB. An accurately shaped nose. Light comming out in the right places. glass in the windows, And Yes quieter performance. However the ligting coming out in the cab, Glass in the windows, and a quiet drive are easily rectified with an evening of patient tinkering. (Cutting and installing glass. Changing light bulbs, and removing flash and play from the drive train. Because if this so called "Model Building"" I get more enjoyment from BB F-units than I did from the P-1K ones because I get to sink my hands with it and work with them than just setting them on the track and go. Or is everything supposed ready to go with no modeling involved? Or has this hobby changed to "Miniature Train Running" and I am left diddly dinking around at the workbench. [quote]QUOTE: For starters, F3's are not F7's Then you have the actually prototypical paint schemes on the F3's vs. the fantasy BB F7 schemes. And so on.[/quote] No F3s are not F7s. However I contend that they are substitutible products. Both Locomotives have a highly similar appearence, Both locomotives performed highly similar duties on the prototype, and both locomotives worked together on many of the same railroads. So leaving the question. Do you want the F3 or the F7? As for your addressing of Fantasy Schemes on the BB F7. I don't see any "Chatanooga Choo Choo" or "Kansas Durango & Colorado like Tyco was fond of making. [quote]QUOTE: BTW, as far as your whining about the high cost of model railroading, consider this: Walthers.com lists an F3A-F3A for sale...only $36.00. It's made by Model Power. Here's the link: http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/490-6730[/quote] Thanks. I will have to pick a few of them up. Have Paint stripper on hand, or is stripping and repainting taboo now? James
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