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NMRA Heritage Fleet Question
Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, August 21, 2020 10:51 AM

I have been collecting the NMRA Heritage Fleet and Living Legend freight cars for quite a while. I thought I was very familiar with them.

This showed up on eBay today.

It is NMRA Heritage Fleet issue #3 for the DELTA LINES.

This is printed on an Athearn Blue Box 40 foot steel boxcar. Every other example of this car is on an IMXW 40 foot boxcar kit, including mine. Heritage Fleet #1, for John Allens GORRE AND DAPHETID was the only other one issued on an IMXW car kit that I know of.

Were the heritage fleet cars re-issued on Athearn bodies? Is this a pilot model? Was the Athearn kit an option for this car at initial release?

I appreciate any information.

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Posted by trwroute on Friday, August 21, 2020 4:08 PM

Kevin, I also thought the 2 were on the IMWX cars only.  Like you, I also have both.  I have never seen the Athearn cars.  

Sorry I'm no help!

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Friday, August 21, 2020 4:37 PM

Help me out here - IMWX? - Innovative Model Works? - never even seen one.......

I have the Athearn Delta Lines car, and a number of others issued on Athearn and Accurail kits.

Sorry no pics or specifics right now, they are still packed up somewhere.

I will try later to fiqure out which box.......... 

I suspect the Athearn car was before any newer, more detailed car?

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Posted by trwroute on Friday, August 21, 2020 4:41 PM

IMWX - Innovative Model Works

Not sure how this happened, but it turned into Red Caboose in the mid 90's.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Friday, August 21, 2020 4:43 PM

trwroute

IMWX - Innovative Model Works

Not sure how this happened, but it turned into Red Caboose in the mid 90's.

 

OK, I know who Red Caboose is.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, August 21, 2020 8:27 PM

This is the IMXW kit that I am familair with.

When IMXW transformed into Red Caboose, the side grab holds were re-tooled. The side grabs in the IMXW kit are WAY too thick.

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Friday, August 21, 2020 10:27 PM

SeeYou190
Were the heritage fleet cars re-issued on Athearn bodies? Is this a pilot model? Was the Athearn kit an option for this car at initial release?

I know in S scale there were a variety of manufacturers used over the series.  Some were kits and some were RTR.  But each individual car in the series had only one manufacturer.  I don't recall a re-issue at least for S scale. 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Saturday, August 22, 2020 11:43 PM

IRONROOSTER
I know in S scale there were a variety of manufacturers used over the series.

It is the same in HO scale. I have kits in the Heritage Series by Accurail, Athearn, Roundhouse, and IMXW. There were probably others too.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Thursday, January 14, 2021 9:27 PM

I got it!

I found an example of the DELTA LINES car on an Athearn body.

Now I can have the "good" one in the Fleet Of Nonsense, and the Athearn one in the display case with the rest of my Heritage Line freight cars.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Friday, January 15, 2021 12:39 PM

SeeYou190
When IMXW transformed into Red Caboose, the side grab holds were re-tooled. The side grabs in the IMXW kit are WAY too thick.

I don't think that I ever had an IMWX car, but thought the Red Caboose grabs to be kinda clunky, too.  I replaced them with wire ones.

As for those Heritage cars, I've picked up a few over the years, either at train shows or off the "used" table at various hobbyshops.  I wasn't especially interested in them as collectables, but all were cheap and it was easy to strip-off the paint and make them into something more useful for my layout.

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Posted by BN7150 on Friday, January 15, 2021 2:48 PM

List of NMRA Heritage Collection and Living Legend Collection Congratulations on your acquisition. I also own several cars of "Heritage" and "Living Legend." I made the list with reference to a Z scaler's website. Please complete this list.

"Heritage"

#1 1992: John Allen's "Gorre & Daphetid" (HO: IMWX)

#2 1993: Lynn Westcott's "Sunset Railway & Navigation Co." (HO: C&BT Shops)

#3 1994: Frank Ellison's "Delta Lines" (HO: IMWX & Athearn)

#4 1994: A.E. "Bud" Sima's "The Prospect & Upper Ridge" (HO: MDC & IMWX?)

#5 1995: Model Railroad Club of Milwaukee's "MUT Lines," Milwaukee Union Terminal (HO: Accurail)

#6 1996: Al Kalmbach's "Great Gulch, Yahoo Valley & Northern" (HO: MDC)

#7 1996: Bill McClanahan's "Texas & Rio Grande Western" (HO: Accurail)

#8 1997: Billings McArthur's "Firewater & Kicking Horse" (HO: Athearn)

#9 1998: Jim Trout's "Hollywood & Western" (HO: Athearn)

#10 1999: Ed Ravenscroft's "Glencoe Skokie Valley" (HO: MDC)

#11 1999: Whit Towers' "Alturas & Lone Pine" (HO: MDC)

#12 2002: Jerry Drake's "Bent Spaghetti Lines" (HO: Athearn)

#13 2002: Gordon Odegard's "Platteville and Calamine" (HO: Athearn)

#14 2004: Bob Hegge's "Crooked Mountain Lines" (HO: Athearn)

#15 2005: Cliff Grandt's "Hardscrabble & Great Divide" (HO: Athearn)

#16 20??: Bill Schopp's "Moonlight & Violins" (HO: Accurail)

#17 20??: "Saint Clair Northern Railway" (HO: Accurail)

#18 20??: "East Penn Lines" (HO: Accurail) 

 

"Living Legends"

#1 1998: John Armstrong's "Canandaigua Southern" (HO: Athearn)

#2 2001: Dean A. Freytag's "Davies Steel Corporation" (HO: MDC)

#3 2002: Milt Moore's "Gibralter Railroad" (HO: Athearn)

#4 2004: Hal Carstens' "Susquehanna Northern" (HO: Athearn)

#5 2004: Allen McClelland's "Virginian & Ohio"

#6 20??: Tony Koester's "Midland Road"

#7 20??: Larry Lauer's "Lower Level Line" (HO: Athearn)

 

The next three cars are planned with the paper side models published in issues of NMRA Bulletin.

Gorre & Daphetid (Dec. 1980)
Delta Lines (Dec. 1982 or Jan. 1994)
Bent Spaghetti Lines (July 1983 or Feb. 2002)

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Posted by Great Divide on Monday, April 26, 2021 4:25 PM

MUT Line was Cliff Robinson's railroad from Texas.    Good info, for reference as it is mistakenly denoted as a club in Milwaukee.   

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Posted by rrebell on Tuesday, April 27, 2021 9:19 AM

trwroute

IMWX - Innovative Model Works

Not sure how this happened, but it turned into Red Caboose in the mid 90's.

 

Surprised I never knew this as I used to resurch these kind of changes. One of the reasons I have such a detailed fleet is buying predecessors to current companys. Ertl was made by Gould which was bought by Tichy, Ertl was a cheap way to get an RTR Tichy quality back in the day for real cheap, like on a flatcar switch out the brakewheel wheels and couplers and you got it. I also colored the deck on these.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Thursday, May 6, 2021 12:29 PM

BN7150
#18 20??: "East Penn Lines" (HO: Accurail) 

I shared this new (to me) Athearn Boxcar last week in Weekend Photo Fun.

It was my thought that it was part of the Heritage or Living Legends collection, but maybe not.

The car appears to be factory painted, but does not have the correct box.

Does anyone know anything about this one? Is it a club car? Custom finished for an individual?

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Posted by BN7150 on Monday, May 24, 2021 10:26 AM

The model lettered as "Penn Falls" was introduced in page 149 of the February 1994 MR issue. According to it, the Athearn/Third Rail Graphics 40' boxcar was released by The Chelten Hills Model Railroad Club.

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Posted by PM Railfan on Monday, May 24, 2021 1:49 PM

Woah! What an interesting topic. I had given thought to this but on my small scale of thinking i didnt know there was this much to 'heritage' stuff. Going by the BN7150 list that is. Man is it ever tough to keep up with this hobby sometimes!!!

Ofcourse you always here about John Allen and his G&D, so thats pretty much a given. Got one.

I though i was the only one who knew about Whit Towers and his A&LP. Got one.

Allen McClelands V&O would be a must have as well as Tony Koesters Midland Road. Must get these!

Some of the lines mentioned ive never heard of. Understandable, as there is something new to learn everyday in this hobby - even after 50 years.

However, I was under the impression the "MUT Lines" was "Marquette Union Terminal"? I have one of these (sorry i dont do pics). Some clarification here between this, MRCofM's model, and the MUT line from Texas please? 

 

Good thread!

 

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Posted by Markgro on Monday, May 24, 2021 11:15 PM

Great Divide

MUT Line was Cliff Robinson's railroad from Texas.    Good info, for reference as it is mistakenly denoted as a club in Milwaukee.   

 

PM Railfan

However, I was under the impression the "MUT Lines" was "Marquette Union Terminal"? I have one of these (sorry i dont do pics). Some clarification here between this, MRCofM's model, and the MUT line from Texas please?

 

NMRA Heritage Collection Issue #5 is indeed an Accurail hopper custom painted as Milwaukee Union Terminal Lines (aka the MUT Line). This is the fictional railroad belonging to the Model Railroad Club of Milwaukee, of which Al Kalmbach and Bill Walthers were founding members. Here's a photo of the car from a recently completed eBay listing (click on it to enlarge):

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, May 25, 2021 5:27 AM

BN7150
The model lettered as "Penn Falls" was introduced in page 149 of the February 1994 MR issue. According to it, the Athearn/Third Rail Graphics 40' boxcar was released by The Chelten Hills Model Railroad Club.

Thank you for this!

It is exactly the information I was needing.

-Kevin

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