Hello I am working on some coal cars that will carry loose coal. And I tought what about tank car's? Why cant we carry some liquid in there. Maybe mineral oil? You would need something to put the liquid in so it wont leak out. I think the car would ride defferent with liquid moving inside it ? Not sure how defferent. Has anyone tryed this or am I trying to shrink the real world to much. Any thought's
Have nice day Frank
0-6-0 Why cant we carry some liquid in there. Maybe mineral oil? Have nice day Frank
Why cant we carry some liquid in there. Maybe mineral oil?
Doing as you suggest would present a lot of potential catastrophies. I would definately avoid trying it.
Hi Frank:
I can't think of any positives that would result from having live liquid loads, but I sure can think of some negatives! Mind you, the spills would look pretty realistic.
Dave
I'm just a dude with a bad back having a lot of fun with model trains, and finally building a layout!
My thoughts, Frank. Why ? My cars are weighted to the NMRA standards, and everything runs good. Whats the purpose of tank cars filled with a liquid?
So, are you going to have the prototypical unloading procedures? Draining or pumping the liquid in to a truck, or "inside" an industry? Would you have the operating valves to do this ?
I guess I just don't get it.
Mike.
My You Tube
This sounds like a recipe for disaster that would undo a lot of hard work.
Just my two cents.
I can appreciate the attempt at realism though ;)
Julian
Modeling Pre-WP merger UP (1974-81)
0-6-0Has anyone tryed this or am I trying to shrink the real world to much. Any thought's
Hi, Frank
I'm aware of several G scale "Schnappswagons" that can carry a supply of your favorite beverage. There's even one for wine that has real oak casks!
The Pola G scale water tower could be used as a drink refresher, too. It had a waterproof reservoir and a silicone tube that would dispense your prefered liquid.
Anything in smaller scales would be, as others have pointed out, an excercise in futility, IMHO.
Have Fun! Ed
Cheers, the Bear.
"One difference between pessimists and optimists is that while pessimists are more often right, optimists have far more fun."
Ed!
I do like that tank car! Let's see, what shall we put in it? Hmmm, the possibilities are endless! A whole new facet to the hobby!
hon30critterA whole new facet to the hobby!
...and a literal reference to the phrase "Getting Tanked"
Gee, I'm thirsty all of a sudden
Fun Stuff! Ed
0-6-0I think the car would ride defferent with liquid moving inside it ?
Has anyone tryed this or am I trying to shrink the real world to much.
On the other hand I think you should try molten sulfer as a load. One could have live heating elements powered by the DCC electricity from the rails. Imagine tank cars at $200 each.
A live load has never been a good idea exception being Ed's tank car of course.
I seen the results after 5 live loaded hopper cars derailed at a club I was a member of several years ago and you could still see traces of the spilled coal several months after the derailment.
Larry
Conductor.
Summerset Ry.
"Stay Alert, Don't get hurt Safety First!"
A spill would be a perfect reason to model a hazmat crew.
Ya know, I'm kind a' rethinking the wife's idea of garden train, along with a fleet of schnapps wagons. hmmmmmm, with a long spur to the hot tub.
gmpullman 0-6-0 Has anyone tryed this or am I trying to shrink the real world to much. Any thought's Hi, Frank I'm aware of several G scale "Schnappswagons" that can carry a supply of your favorite beverage. There's even one for wine that has real oak casks! The Pola G scale water tower could be used as a drink refresher, too. It had a waterproof reservoir and a silicone tube that would dispense your prefered liquid. Anything in smaller scales would be, as others have pointed out, an excercise in futility, IMHO. Have Fun! Ed
0-6-0 Has anyone tryed this or am I trying to shrink the real world to much. Any thought's
Thanks Ed now I am switching to G scale..
I know liquid is never a good idea around the layout. But was looking for something defferent. And I don't need to add any problems to the layout. If real tank car has baffel's in them the liquid should settle shortly after they get moving or stoping ? So what about a few marbels with some space so they would roll back and forth then settle. You should get that sloshing motion when you start and stop? I don't know maybe I am trying to hard. Have a nice day Frank
gmpullman hon30critter A whole new facet to the hobby! ...and a literal reference to the phrase "Getting Tanked" Gee, I'm thirsty all of a sudden Fun Stuff! Ed
hon30critter A whole new facet to the hobby!
If this was Facebook, I would +1 your pun.
fieryturboIf this was Facebook, I would +1 your pun.
I'll drink to that!
Gee,
Here it is 24 hours later and I'm thirsty again!
Well, here's to 'ya Thanks, fella's
Speaking of marbles... (naw, that's too easy) but, seriously now, don't I recall some kind of "Train handling skill test" where a flat car was fitted with a slightly "dished" rail on the deck and a rather large ball or marble was placed on it? The idea being to operate your train and not allow the marble to hit either end and cause you to lose points or some such scheme?
I'll have to do some digging! **
Seems like I recall some kind of "Inertia car" as well, something with a works inside like the old friction toy cars had.
Cheers, Ed
** Here it is!
I am relying on my memory now (increasingly a dangerous practice) but didn't the famous MR article about the pressurized basement [to eliminate supports for the upper floor from interfering with the track plan] mention that his airtight model tank cars were exploding until the modeler drilled relief holes in the tank car bodies?
So if you decide to go with real liquids in your tank cars you might have to forego pressurizing your basement, which would be a crying shame.
While I enjoy operating on layouts that feature "live" (removable) loads on gondolas and flatcars (including TOFC), somehow I do not see much of a future in "live but invisible" loads in our model tank cars (or boxcars, reefers, and covered hoppers for that matter). Stock cars? Hmmm. maybe .....
There is certainly more we could do as modelers to replicate prototype practices without having to go to the point of putting liquids in a loaded tank car and removing them from an empty. We could for example pay more attention to FRA rules about car placement for tank cars, and to rules about not coupling tank cars next to flatcars lacking bulkheads which are loaded with pipe or wood (ditto for gondolas where the loads are higher than the car ends) because a shifted load could puncture the end of the tank car. We could also do more to replicate car cleaning routines. A friend of my father's used to tell about his worst ever summer job in the 1920s: being lowered into railroad tank cars at a meat packing plant used for transport of edible and inedible tallows (by-products of meat packing) to clean the interiors. That was pre-OSHA.
I would think the technology exists to make our locomotives "work harder" and our trains seem to show "more inertia" depending on whether the cars are "loaded" or "empty." Whether anybody has implemented it to do so, I do not know. I do know of modelers who have wheel reports for each train that detail the empties and loads and tonnage. Whatever it is, it can be approximated electronically without having to fuss with real liquids.
Dave Nelson
Sometimes I put real loads in my reefers so nobody can see them. LOL
My call on the basic idea? If you can't see it, why do it?
Open-top cars are either loaded or empty, and , if loaded, you can see what's in or on there. Closed cars (tanks, boxcars, covered hoppers) look the same whether loaded or empty. Considering that ANY liquid material on a layout is bad news, having to fill and empty a car that doesn't immediately show which it is could end up making parts of your layout Superfund sites.
I use live loads for flats and gons, and try to model a coal mining operation accurately (loose loads, plus empty-in/loads-out.) Closed cars are closed. If you want to know if the ammonium nitrate tank car is empty or loaded, check the waybill.
Chuck (Modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - as simply as possible)