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Tyco F9 Question
Posted by tjl0824 on Monday, December 24, 2012 12:46 PM

I'm not much an HO guy, but I'll try my best here. I have a 70's Tyco 4015 Santa Fe F9. The problem is that it sits in one spot with the wheels turning and doesn't go anywhere, even without a load. I replaced the traction tires and it still doesn't help. The motor is also ridiculously loud, it just doesn't sound right to me. Is there any common issues with these?

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Monday, December 24, 2012 1:31 PM

You're sure the wheels are turning? Tyco's drive unit was known for loosing and/or stripping gears. The small pancake motor was very bad about loosing the small metal gear that fit on it. Normally I would suggest you replace the traction tires but you stated you already did that. The center weight is in place? What I would do with a unit like this is to remove the Tyco trucks and the center weight and put in an Athearn or Model Power F unit drive.

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Posted by gandydancer19 on Monday, December 24, 2012 1:33 PM

Your locomotive is kind of old, so I doubt that anyone is still using them.

One thing that you can check for is if it has a rubber band drive. You can tell if you look at the wheels and it looks like the axles are of a large diameter and usually black. It may be that the small rubber bands that power the wheels are all gone. If you can turn the wheels by had with no power, chances are good that it either does have a rubber band drive or something is broke inside.

The next thing to do is take the shell off and start trying to see how it is supposed to work. You may be able to turn the motor some by hand and see if everything moves and is connected.

You should be using DC voltage for running this locomotive and not AC. AC will make it just sit there and buzz.

You said the wheels are turning. . . there could be something keeping the wheels up off the track.  I assume that you are using HO track.  It could also be worn out so much that the wheel bearings are shot and letting the loco chassis or fuel tank sit on the track stopping it.

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Posted by tjl0824 on Monday, December 24, 2012 1:40 PM

The weight is in it, I'm using a DC transformer, and the track is Bachmann EZ Track

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Monday, December 24, 2012 2:02 PM

tjl0824

The weight is in it, I'm using a DC transformer, and the track is Bachmann EZ Track

Well, if it was going to run it should have. The only reasons it wouldn't is if one of the gears is damaged or missing or there's some oil on the track causing the traction tires not to get a grip. By this time I would be changing the drive out with one of higher quality. They Tyco pancake drives have a high mortality rate. A high pitch whine from the motor is what I call the Tyco death scream. It's the sound of a motor that's well on the way out.

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, December 24, 2012 3:35 PM

 Probably the gear problem, if the motor runs and the traction tires were repalced. They won;t move very well if at all with the traction tires are missing since there's a grove in the wheel for the tires.

 I had 2 sets of these when i was a kid in the early 70's, and both of them had a growl to them, even when new. Built in sound, before sound decoders! The silver bonnet set was quieter than the blue and yellow, but both turned to more like a tortured gear shriek at high speed, despite fresh lubricant on the gears and bearings. Nature of the beast, by that time Tyco was Consolidated Foods and far removed from the Mantua quality of the 50's and early 60's.

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Posted by 7j43k on Monday, December 24, 2012 3:43 PM

There's also an actual Tyco forum:

http://www.tycoforums.com/tyco/forum/default.asp

There could be answers there.

Ed

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