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PFM CPR Selkirk 2-10-4 - Update - Retired

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Posted by De Luxe on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 2:11 PM

@ don7: Thanks for letting me know. Actually I planned to paint the whole engine black and only apply "Canadian Pacific" decals for the tender lettering and numbers for the cab (like the model on the photo), because I´m very bad at applying decals. So I wanted to minimize the use of decals. On the other hand, I would of course like it, that my engine is finished in the more beautiful passenger scheme with the Tuscan panels on the tender and along the sideboards. I will have to think about that. Your Selkirk is very well done. I already saw it before, because you posted this photo of it already before in this thread. Beautiful! Is it porotypical for the early 50s to paint the smokebox silver/light grey like you did? Did you also add marker lights on your Selkirk or are the marker lights just painted to make them stand out from the surrounding rest a bit?

@ doctorwayne: Thanks for the advice. I never thought about that! It surely will be a better solution than to cut off the booster pipes!

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Posted by don7 on Thursday, November 22, 2012 5:14 PM

De Lux

The painting of the smokebox aluminium or grey varied between locomotives.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cp/cp-s2340s.jpg

I have been told that it more or less depended upon what paint was available when the engine was being serviced and where it was being serviced. If the servicing was major there was a very good chance that the firebox would be painted a light colour, silver or grey, and if the servicing was more or less moderate or typical then the painting was considered to be less important. The main CPR shops prided themselves on turning out the locomotives as though they looked just like the new ones.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cp/cp-s2340s.jpg

Bye the way, I decided I wanted a Selkirk in the passenger colours so I did find one, however to be accurate to the time period being modeled I did buy one of the Streamline T1b's (they kind of grow on you - although I really do prefer the T1 a's unstreamlined looks)

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Posted by cjcrescent on Thursday, November 22, 2012 11:53 PM

De Lux

Since its the front axle of the trailing truck that derails, as I see it, there are two possibilities that causes this.

One, the truck is slightly warped. It doesn't take much of a warp to cause it to derail. Or Two, the attachment to the loco frame is needing adjustment. To determine if the truck is warped, place the engine on a piece of glass, like an 8x10 picture frame glass. Take a thin piece of paper, and try to slide it under the front wheel's flange, sliding it in from the side, first on one side then the other. If it slides under one flange, but not the other, the truck is warped. If it slides under both wheels, then its the attachment to the frame.

The warp can be corrected by a slight very easy, light twisting of the truck. If the attachment is the problem, a slightly longer shoulder screw maybe needed to lower the front end of the truck, or an adjustment to the front of the truck where the screw goes through the hole in the truck is needed. Look at it from the side, does the part the screw goes through appear to be bent down slightly? If so the piece needs to be "leveled" up. This can be accomplished often with just a squeeze across the front of the piece with a pair of non-marring, (smooth jaw) pliers. Most of these pieces are just a flat piece of shaped brass with an appropriate hole for the screw. When this piece is bent down it raises the front axle, and if bent upward it will raise the rear axle.

I've done brass repairs for over 30 years, and just about every time I've run across this type of problem on other brass engines with 4 wheel trailing trucks, one of these two situations seemed to be the cause.

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Posted by Isambard on Monday, November 26, 2012 7:57 PM

A number of photos of T1a Selkirks suggest that their smoke boxes were usually either black or very dark grey, very close to the boiler jacket colour, like 5905 here:

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Posted by tatans on Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:48 PM

Isambard

A number of photos of T1a Selkirks suggest that their smoke boxes were usually either black or very dark grey, very close to the boiler jacket colour, like 5905 here:

I just knew this forum would break the record for the amount of replies to a Canadian locomotive, and by the way what a great photo of a great locomotive, love the plow.  and this will not be the last reply eh?

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Posted by Isambard on Tuesday, November 27, 2012 6:54 PM

Your right Tatans!

Note that the second sand dome, part of the loco as built, has been removed, typically, being found unnecessary. The smoke deflector was steam activated from the cab, but seldom used and frequently dismantled.

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Posted by selector on Tuesday, November 27, 2012 7:00 PM

It's a very odd place to put a smoke deflector, way down around the coupler like that.  But, oh well.....

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Posted by don7 on Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:47 PM

One of my favorite pictures, a pair of Selkirks and a 10 wheeler siting in the yard

http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_153/f_06426.gif

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Posted by Isambard on Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:24 PM

What's the secret to opening up that link to a reasonable size image? The best I can do is find a BC Archives page containing a very small gif of the locos (I think) amongst other gif. Otherwise it invites one to enter search terms or photo title to find the photo - not successful for me. :(

 

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Posted by BATMAN on Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:25 PM

Isambard

What's the secret to opening up that link to a reasonable size image? The best I can do is find a BC Archives page containing a very small gif of the locos (I think) amongst other gif. Otherwise it invites one to enter search terms or photo title to find the photo - not successful for me. :(

 

I just go to "view" up on the tool bar and zoom in, that makes it go as large as is practical for me. Also on the B.C. Archives page, it lets you make adjustments on the size of the photo and the amount of information that comes up with each photo. As one that has spent a lot of hours looking at all the Railroad photo's on the site, I can tell you that the B.C. Archives and City of Vancouver Archives are tax $ I don't mind spending.

It is also very interesting reading the history behind the photographers behind all the Railroad photo's.

My kids use the Archives for school projects and both the info and photo's available are quite different than what comes up on Google. It is one thing to read about the building of the C.P.R. on Wiki, but quite another reading the letters and reports from the actual people that wrote them and who gave eye witness accounts. For this reason their projects stand out against the others, usually resulting in very good grades.

A photo from the City of Vancouver Archives. If you ever visit the Archives, this photo greets you in the entrance as a huge wall mural. You go WOW! as you go down the stairs.

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