What are some new methods & materials for water rather than the old methods?
Is there some type of clear transparent "goop" you can get that you would just pour into a model lake or stream and let it cure? Sort of like epoxy or clear liquid plastic rubber?
Of course "cost" is always a factor.
There are many different ways of reproducing water on a layout, from pouring resin to various products, like E-Z Water from WS, which works nicely.
For shallow waters I have used ordinary PVA with good results. I use it slightly diluted and brush on in thin layers, which dry out clear.
What method to use finally depends on what type of water you want to model.
You sure have a lot of questions. Try doing at least a little bit of research.
WS Realistic Water
Let me google that for you. here
Michael
CEO- Mile-HI-RailroadPrototype: D&RGW Moffat Line 1989
To the right, in the sidebar, find "Search Community" in a black bar with a text box below it. Type in a typical syntax, such as, "Making realistic water", and you are sure to find many archived threads over the past three or four years.
You can use gloss medium products, gel gloss medium, polyurethane, two-part finishing quality epoxies (as I did), Woodland Scenics Realistic Water (or something like that), and Envirotex. Some just smear clear silicone caulk.
-Crandell
MotleyYou sure have a lot of questions. Try doing at least a little bit of research.Let me google that for you. here
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Wayne
doctorwayneMotleyYou sure have a lot of questions. Try doing at least a little bit of research.Let me google that for you. here Love it! Wayne
You like that? Hehehe, I found that site years ago. It's pretty neat.
You Guys!!! This is the funniest thing I've ever seen!
The St. Francis Consolidated Railroad of the Colorado Rockies
Denver, Colorado
St Francis Consolidated RRYou sure have a lot of questions. Try doing at least a little bit of research.Let me google that for you. here Love it! Wayne You Guys!!! This is the funniest thing I've ever seen!
John!!!! What's going on? How's your layout coming along? Sending you a PM.
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Asking questions about model railroading related issues on a model railroading message board to other model railroaders seems kind-a out of line. I don't know what came over me.
I don't know why anyone would want to ask questions about model railroading here on this board when there is Google.
It's almost as bad as model airplane builders asking questions on a model airplane building board or amateur astronomers asking questions on an amateur astronomy board or God Forbid, Ham Radio operators asking questions on a Ham Radio board, but that's a dying hobby so that does'nt count.
I'll try to be more careful next time and keep my off the cuff research questions confined to Google.
relax...they're just having fun....but seriously, this is a great resource here, as is google, so you might want to do research just like you would model airplanes forums and astronomy and ham radio, which, by the way, I didn't know was dying...I suspect the internet is killing it off?
I think your question about anything new in the water method subject would go over a little better if you research the old ideas first, or maybe you did and didn't get that across.
anyway.....have fun rr'ing and don't take yourself or any of us too seriously! you got to admit the "look it up on google" animation bit was pretty funny!
Hey! lets start another thread about..... "How come people don't stay here at the forum???" I think it would be all too easy to take the "joke" wrong....
(It was funny though.....)
Oh, and I use Envirotex Lite. It is a 2 part resin. Often used for high gloss finishes on things like wooden clocks, etc. Can be found at any hardware store. Dries very hard and can even be tinted. i have a set of dyes I bought (can't remember from where) to give the "water" different looks.
Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO
We'll get there sooner or later!
Oh come on now, I was not saying don't ask any questions. But rather ask questions with a little bit a research behind it.
Like, "I was looking at what to use for a water feature on my layout, I found WS Realistic Water, and Envirotex water, which is better or preffered by you expert modelers?."
I'm a newbie too, but I always at least try to do my own research before asking such basic questions. If you want to get a response out of these guys.
I'm just trying to help you, please don't get offended.
I already said several times here that I am an old school person who built a layout 30 years ago.
I was just wondering if there was any new techniques for water.
As far as "Google" goes, then there is no reason to have this board, since just about ANYTHING you want to know, IS on Google, and THAT was my point.
It's a lot easier to say, "HEY anyone here know about blah blah blah for Model Railroading?" than it is to research endless articles on Google.
I already got some good and "Fast" info here, on some Model RR issues, that might have taken me a long time to research on Google, or even in old books I have on scenery.
I'm not aware of any new techniques (although I've also been told that I'm just generally "not aware" ).
Envirotex, Easy Water, clear silicon with fibreglass for waterfalls, etc., etc, have been around for years. I'm using an even older method, painted plaster.
Pretty hard to beat that!
Envirotex is an epoxy product AFAIK. I used a two-part finish quality epoxy from Swing Paints called Nu-Luster 55. Once I had placed two layers, letting each cure completely, I added a third with a pinch of Plaster of Paris and a wee drop of "Hauder Medium Green" from the craft acrylic paints section at Wal Mart. When that cured, I layered it with Gel Gloss Medium and stippled it. This is how it turned out....so close to the June waters running down the South Thompson River in southern BC it isn't funny. Lucky me, 'cuz it was all by gosh and by golly....no how-to in my pocket.
doctorwayneI'm not aware of any new techniques (although I've also been told that I'm just generally "not aware" ).Envirotex, Easy Water, clear silicon with fibreglass for waterfalls, etc., etc, have been around for years. I'm using an even older method, painted plaster. Wayne
Wayne how about opening up the window next time it rains ain't gonna get more real then that. Envirotex lite is my poison of choice.
TA462What ever you use for water just make sure your river bed, lake, pond etc is well sealed. If there is a hole the water will find it. Oh ya, there is always a hole.
I have used Magic Water with good results; it is similar to Envirotex Lite. I have tinted it with a few drops of Floquil paints, green for a swampy area; grimey black for an industrial ditch, etc.http://www.unrealdetails.com/
As to the hole that is always there but unseen until you make that pour, the Magic Water people suggest painting a thin layer of their product over the lake/pond/river bottom once you think it is ready. It will seek out, fill, and seal any pinholes you have missed without a large volume to run out on the floor.
One other thing to be ready for with any of these products is they like to wick into ground foam scenery so it sets up hard and shiney. You probobly will have to do a light dusting of ground foam or flat clearcoat on the surrounding scenery.
George In Midcoast Maine, 'bout halfway up the Rockland branch