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"Bailey Savings and Loan" (Walther's) on your layout?

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"Bailey Savings and Loan" (Walther's) on your layout?
Posted by Capt. Grimek on Sunday, March 8, 2009 4:11 PM
I'm considering the Walther's Cornerstone kit: Bailey's Savings and Loan for my passenger station either as is or extended using part or all of a 2nd kit. Does anyone here by any chance have pics of this building in "context" on their layout? My 2nd runner up and not sure I can pull it off is a condensed/kit bashed Milwaukee station. I've done a google search but haven't come up with any pics of either possibility on anyone's layout so far. I may be able to borrow a completed Bailey's but it would be great to get a sense of how to fit it in scenically looking at other's work. Its' Union Station-y but smaller in footprint size, is the attraction. Thanks.

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Posted by cacole on Sunday, March 8, 2009 4:31 PM

We have it on our HO scale club layout as one of the buildings in Murrin Village.  It can be seen at http://members.cox.net/cacole2/  and has been renamed as Walker State Bank.

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Posted by Capt. Grimek on Sunday, March 8, 2009 5:14 PM
Thank you cacole ! That was really helpful! I think it's still in lst place for possibilities for my small city passenger station. I'm hoping to see the columned front in context somewhere and that should finalize things for me either way. I remember "stumbling" across your and the club's site a long time ago, now that I see it again. Nice job(s)! Several examples of how I can solve some "little problems" scenically, in those pics. It's bookmarked now. Thanks again.

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Posted by cacole on Sunday, March 8, 2009 6:43 PM

 The Walthers web site shows the Bailey Savings & Loan building from a front corner view:

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-3031 

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Posted by SS Express on Sunday, March 8, 2009 7:01 PM

Awesome website tour........I especially enjoyed the car show at Arnold's drive in........

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Posted by Loco on Sunday, March 8, 2009 8:14 PM

I was just reading, Bailey Savings & Loan was just taken over by the FDIC.  :P

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Posted by Capt. Grimek on Sunday, March 8, 2009 8:19 PM
Thanks cacole. I've seen the Walther's catalog and site pics (among others). It was the "in context on a layout" thing I was referring to, regarding the front view, but I think I can imagine the rest of the mental picture if I need to, now that I've seen your club's 3/4 view. So...if the FDIC took over, does this mean Mr. Potter STILL hasn't gotten his greedy mitts on the Bailey Savings and Loan?

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Posted by CNJ831 on Sunday, March 8, 2009 9:48 PM

The Bailey Savings and Loan is indeed very suitable to adapting into a moderate-sized urban station, particularly in cases where space is at a premium. I did some kitbashing to mine, rearranging some of  the building's original structural elements, resulting in the station pictured below. In my case, it is an elevated station with tracks and platforms below.

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Posted by Capt. Grimek on Sunday, March 8, 2009 11:27 PM
Thanks! That looks fantastic! Any chance you have other pictures you could post or email? I'm getting excited by the possibilites. I always admire your craftsmanship with scratch building and kit bashing. I know that you're also a great photographer and wondered how you achieved the painting like look of your scene. Filters, lighting? I'd love to see some birdseye/three quarter views to see how I might elevate if I need to. Thanks again. That's simply beautiful. By the way, I grew up in N.J. in Passaic Co.

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Posted by CNJ831 on Monday, March 9, 2009 7:45 AM

Ahhh, another former Metropolitan Area guy! I grew up just north of the Bronx, along the New Haven's trackage, a long, long time ago.

Regarding the station's construction from the basic Bailey's S&L kit, in my case only three sides are accessible to the viewer, so I used the fourth (in this instance the kit's intended front entrance) as a source of kitbashing materials. The columns and their supports are a separate part from the front facade, so I brought them around to the building's long side and with some cutting and fitting, attached them there. Several Vollmer/Heljan platforms and a passenger overpass kit were employed to get my passengers from the street-level floor of the station down to track-level.

I have the following photos of the station with the work in-progress:

 

Hope these are helpful.

As to the quality of my photos, it comes mainly from a long experience in photography and modeling, plus practice, practice, practice! It also helps that I did landscape painting in oils for a time, giving me a pretty good sense for nature's colors. Over the years these factors have combined to allow me to win the Model Photo Contest at the NMRA's National Convention a quite a number of times. Even so, there are probably 15-20 not so sucessful shots taken for everyone folks on-line ever end up seeing. Wink  

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Posted by mreagant on Monday, March 9, 2009 9:33 AM

I used two of the kits to kitbash a quasi representation of the Union Station in Dallas, but from the off-street (track) side, so had no use for the columns. When I tried to build a concourse over the track using what was left over, it did not turn out well.   So, I went with the CMR concourse kit and that fit right in.  Still a little detail and clean-up work to be done, but other than picking the wrong paint color, it's going to look pretty good.

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Posted by skagitrailbird on Monday, March 9, 2009 12:43 PM

 CNJ831,

 What a great kitbash!  I've done some kitbashing but none better than yours.

How many kits did you use.  And how did you get the wall to the right (as seen looking at your front entrance) to have several small windows on two stories and the small street level door at the corner?

Is the rear of the building seen above the tracks in the next to last photo (with the red switcher in the foreground)?  If so, how did you piece together that wall without any windows?

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Posted by Capt. Grimek on Monday, March 9, 2009 2:33 PM
Hi CNJ, Yes, spent a few days chompin' on hot dogs at (the old) Yankee Stadium and riding the EL. I grew up next to Pompton Lakes in Wanaque/Haskell if that rings a bell. The Newark reservoir is the Wanaque reservoir. In 1966 there were repeated UFO sightings there that you may remember reading about in the N.Y. papers? I never saw any myself... About 20 miles from Paterson and 40 miles from "The City". I moved out west after college (Paterson State, now William Paterson U.) in Wayne N.j. in '74. That's great to hear that the columns and fascade are separate parts on the Bailey's/Station. It sounds like you used only one kit (and maybe an additional "after market" wall...? If I use this building I may not be able to elevate it across tracks but after seeing your fine work, I'm tempted. It would have to be just "forward" of a 130 ft. turntable and roundhouse though so don't think it'll look right. I might be able to elevate it lengthwise (perpendicualr to yours) on an upper track level...we'll see. Thanks SO much for the additional photos and construction pics. That'll help me greatly as this would be my lst kit- bash ever if I go with this building. Do you have a collection of layout pics anywhere online? Photobucket, etc.? I'd love to see ALL of your work. The last fellow to respond to this thread, Roger is a new and very good friend who patiently answers my thousands of rookie questions and taught me how to lay my yard ladder, so anything you can tell him will filter back down to me. Thanks again for your very detailed responses and excellent photos! mreagant, if you've taken any pics I'm sure we'd all like to see what you're doing, too.

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Posted by CNJ831 on Monday, March 9, 2009 4:46 PM

Roger and Grimek - My station is built from just the material found in a single Bailey's kit. The wall at the right of the structure is a stock wall from the kit, as is the blank "rear" wall. I have a policy of not kitbashing more than necessary to get the results I want  and over the years have picked up a talent MR's Art Curren had: the ability to visualize how to re-arrange parts of a kit to form various alternative structures based just on the box cover's photo. Comes in quite handy. Wink

Re a layout tour, you'll find a brief one by clicking below, followed by a link to my much more extensive Photobucket page.

http://s64.photobucket.com/albums/h182/CNJ831/HHRRtour/?albumview=slideshow

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Posted by Capt. Grimek on Monday, March 9, 2009 6:30 PM
Thanks for the link to your photobucket pics. Awesome modeling! I've done searches looking for your pics in the past but haven't ever found any at least since the forum's format was changed again. It's in my bookmarked/favorites for inspiration. I'm glad that you've told us about that blank rear wall. We had no idea from the Walther's catalog and online pics so that helps pre planning. If you have any particular tips regarding extending/doubling it's length using two kits I'd be grateful for them. I think one kit's 10.5" length is going to be dwarfed by the turntable/r.h. almost adjacent. may have one completed and detailed kit available to me but it might be better to add on to a "new" uncompleted kit? I suppose I could always join them with short walk way to simplify matters... As I said, this would be my lst kit bash larger than a yard shed, and I'm assuming the main "issue" would be the 45 degree cornice angles if I glued two directly together? I WISH I had the ability to visualize what things will look like "later" but I suppose that's going to come with some experience. Visualizing this building(s)' kit bash is easier than the victorian Milwaukee Station which would be quite a challenge and a LOT more expensive. It was really fun visiting the HHRR.

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