The DOS

[Anonymous]

Just got back in last night and found the DOS locked. I read Bergies post, and I don't agree with it and I hope that most of you don't either. There are several other topics on the Kalmbach Forums, including the "Finescale Forum" that are well over 1000 posts but I guess because there were a small handful of folks on here that just can't stand to have a little fun, Bergie shut it down. Well let me quote from "MODEL RAILROADER" it's self, "MODEL RAILROADING IS FUN". Anyone who thinks that you have to be serious all the time to be a MRR is in the wrong hobby. Roast me if you will, I really don't care, but I don't like censorship, and there was nothing wrong with the DOS. It was clean fun thats all. If you agree, great. Send an e-mail to Bergie and ask him to unlock the DOS as I've done. He probably won't, but at least he will know how people feel.
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[Anonymous]

The Atlas forum went through this very issue a couple of years ago. People started doing silly posts just to drive their count up. The problem with that is for some of us it was irritating because you were reading nonsense. So a massive lobby went on to get rid of its star system, or whatever it was. They eventually did get rid of it.

I don't think I posted to the DOS thread, if I did it was once. But when I stuck my nose in to see what all the fuss (high post count) was about, I realized it was silly fluff to drive up the post count so people could earn another star. The thread itself was its own worst enemy, it proved that stars (or any other system that differentiates) shouldn't be implemented.

[lupo]

Hi Emeraldisle! welcome back, had a good time ?
we did, the DOS topic closed down [xx(] in the middle of a short conversation I tried to have with emory, we tried to continue at http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12533
but it was not quite appreciated so I try to shut up a bit, I think its kind of sad, but hey the world keeps on turning! And people can freely quote Adolf Hitler on this forum : http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12769 but that is called irony and freedom of speech. I guess that is my problem being from Europe.[sigh]
and I thought to be a member of a forum dedicated to the worlds greatest hobby

GOOD news the forum is very busy as you see nowadays: lots of new members around !
chrs
LUPO

Denial
Of
Service
[xx(]

[Big_Boy_4005]

Sorry Emerald, you weren't the problem on the DOS topic, and perhaps you were a victim.

I did not have anything to do with influencing Bergie's decision, but when I saw that it was locked, I emailed him and thanked him. I agree that it was being abused by some, though not by Lupo, Emerald or myself.

What went on there stopped being meaningful after a while, very much unlike other long topics such as, NES and a couple over on the Trains Mag forum, which are constructive.

It may feel like a bit of a loss, but I think that it was all for the best in the long run. There are plenty of other things to talk about. I was surprised that nobody had done a topic on this before now.

The closing of the DOS topic really isn't censorship, that would imply that it was closed for it's content. It was really closed for it's lack thereof. Further more itis still on display, its just not open to additions.

[Anonymous]

I'm with you guys

[Anonymous]

Me too.

[Anonymous]

Yeah,I'm also with you. I'm not going to post on any DOS that would get revitalized, there was one DOS, there will always be one DOS, and no one can make another DOS.

[Anonymous]

I think all of you are missing the point. Most people on the DOS liked it and didn't mind having a little fun. A very small handful of people, maybe 4 or 5, were chronic complaintants about the DOS, while the vast majority enjoyed it. I'm not saying that it dominated everyones time, but everyone that did post there probably came back to it a couple of times a night. Here's the RUB, the fact that a very small handful of people were able to shut the DOS down, while a majority were enjoying themselves, is appalling. This is supposed to be a democracy where all opinions are considered before this sort of thing took place. That didn't happen. Instead, 4 or 5 people, a minority, manged to get it shut down. If history serves me correctly, the same thing happened in GERMANY 70 years ago and we wound up fighting a war over it. Censorship takes many forms, it's not always about content, it can also be in the form of denying people their right to express themselves freely. Guys you can believe what you want, but I see it differantly. Think about it. I don't care about the DOS anymore, it's the principle of what happened to it.[V][V][V][V][:(!][:(!][:(!][banghead][banghead][censored][soapbox][soapbox]

[dharmon]

I have no complaints about folks having fun on the forums....entertainment is why we are all here. Personally, I think DOS was serving purpose....just like NES or the humor thread on Trains..a place to do whatever. But the forums are run by MR and ultimately they are responsible for management of content. The right of free speech does not extend here,as they reserve the right to edit, delete or censor as they see fit, and as users we agreed to that when we joined. These forums are a reflection of the owners, and they have to manage that image as they see fit. Do a few folks get to shut things down by crying loud enough? Sure they do, and in American politics that is usually the case too, this is nothing new. The squeakiest wheel get the oil. But in the end it is MRs decision to do as it pleases. We can live with it or move elsewhere. But, I have to say, there is far greater freedom here and fewer locked posts compared to some other forums. So all things considered, we have it pretty good here....not to mention a lot less humor goes on at brand X and Y. Bergie and the folks here are more than fair when it comes to letting us do our thing.

Bergie, if it means anything, I think you should unlock the playground. Nothing bad was happening there unlike some of the other threads lately.

Just my opinion.
Dan

[Anonymous]

Emerald, don't allow the locked topic to get you down. Here's why:

1) As with all topics, it had run it's course. Compare it to old bread. If it doesn't taste as hearty as it should, you chuck it...then run to the local grocer and get a fresh loaf.

2) Those who made a stink over (alleged) 'star chasing' probably had nothing else to b*tch about. For the love of God...I can't fathom why they (and you folks know who you are) would even care. Further, I cannot envision someone being so focused on getting a new star--as though the existence of the human race depended on it. Geesh! My gut feeling is that most replies would have been made whether or not a star was forthcoming. To the detractors, I respectfully ask that you just lighten up. This isn't a life or death issue.

3) Poor is the man whose pleasures depend upon the permission of another man. That said, no one need question whether or not he/she should or shouldn't post and--BOING!--risk receiving yet another dreaded star. Post to your heart's content. Off-topics subjects can be avoided with ease by those whom aren't interested in 'silly stuff.'

If nothing else Emerald, remember that the devil rears his ugly head in every arena possible, and the Forums are not immune from such visits. Food for thought. Rejoice instead in the fun and humor you've brought to the table with, say, Never Ending Story. At over 900 replies as of this writing, clearly it's being enjoyed. [:)]

[Anonymous]

Ok heres how i look at it. Bergie should have lecked after 1000 not before

[lupo]

that would have made some sence !

btw: 948[:p]

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[Anonymous]

Comparing a locked-down , no topic, nonsensical, and totally useless internet thread, by the proprietors of this forum, to what happened in Nazi Germany 70 years ago, is quite possibly the most ridiculous, stupid, and insensitive comment I have ever seen here[xx(]

Talk about trivializing history for one's warped and immature sense of what "freedom" is supposed to mean.[xx(]

...and no, I was not one of those complaining to Bergie about your stupid DOS thread.
Mike

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by robmik
...and no, I was not one of those complaining to Bergie about your stupid DOS thread.
Mike

If you don't like one off topic thread go to the Trains Magizine forums where 1/2 of the topics have nothing to do with trains (Note that I'm not bashing the Trains forum at all).

[lupo]

well, robmik IMHO it is not, as the DOS topic was locked another topic opening by what the "poster" stated was a qoute from Adolf Hiltler in a context I came across in pamflets rightwing extremist use to deny the holocaust, http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12769, was left alone, maybe because nobody complained?
We all believe in freedom of speech, but to someone from a country hit very hard by the nazi's, this is somewhat shocking, and as I stated before. And in my opinion
one should be very carefull who to qoute on a forum that is supposed to be open to EVERYONE,
what would your reaction be as this dude quoted Bin Laden to get his point across?
please ALL leave politics past and present alone

[Supermicha]

Excuse my question, but what means DOS?

Micha

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Supermicha

Excuse my question, but what means DOS?

Micha

Discontinuance of stars, a topic that was just recently locked, just when everyone was having some fun.

[Anonymous]

Lupo; Didn't mean to stir up bad feelings from the past.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by SuperChiefFan

Emerald, don't allow the locked topic to get you down. Here's why:

1) As with all topics, it had run it's course. Compare it to old bread. If it doesn't taste as hearty as it should, you chuck it...then run to the local grocer and get a fresh loaf.

2) Those who made a stink over (alleged) 'star chasing' probably had nothing else to b*tch about. For the love of God...I can't fathom why they (and you folks know who you are) would even care. Further, I cannot envision someone being so focused on getting a new star--as though the existence of the human race depended on it. Geesh! My gut feeling is that most replies would have been made whether or not a star was forthcoming. To the detractors, I respectfully ask that you just lighten up. This isn't a life or death issue.

3) Poor is the man whose pleasures depend upon the permission of another man. That said, no one need question whether or not he/she should or shouldn't post and--BOING!--risk receiving yet another dreaded star. Post to your heart's content. Off-topics subjects can be avoided with ease by those whom aren't interested in 'silly stuff.'

If nothing else Emerald, remember that the devil rears his ugly head in every arena possible, and the Forums are not immune from such visits. Food for thought. Rejoice instead in the fun and humor you've brought to the table with, say, Never Ending Story. At over 900 replies as of this writing, clearly it's being enjoyed. [:)]

You're probably right, and thanks for the upbeat[:)][:)]

[Anonymous]

Lupo - Don't get me wrong, but I find that the things Hitler were appalling, horrifying, and inexcusable, just like everyone else in the forum. That being said, would you please stop whining about how ACL Fan used a quote from Hitler in his post? Just because a quote deals with someone or something that is bad, doesn’t mean that using the quote is bad. If ACL Fan had used the quote to promote Hitler, that would have been inexcusable, but as he was using it to make a point, I have no problem with it. Using a quote from Hitler does not automatically make some one evil, or as Bush would say, a “ter-rist.” Would you please drop the subject, because although ACL Fan may not be a good person, he is obviously not a Neo-Nazi, as it seems you are implying.

[lupo]

Trainmaster:
ACL could have used a quote from somebody else there are thousands of others to quote, if you off all people choose to quote Hitler , in a post on a simple trainforum
where he was confronted with his negative attitude towards other forum members
IMHO it is like go hunting rabbits with an Abrams tank, OVERKILL


emeraldisle: no problems, I appreciate your posts and share your feelings about locking DOS

[Fergmiester]

To DOS or not to DOS- That is the question
Whether t'is nobler in the mind to suffer
the spikes and rails of outrages fortune
Or to takes arms against flamers and rivet counters
And apposing end them? To Die, to sleep
No more; and by a sleep we to say we end
The heart-ache and a natural thousand posts......


Anyone for some Haugen-DOS?[:-^]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Fergmiester

To DOS or not to DOS- That is the question
Whether t'is nobler in the mind to suffer
the spikes and rails of outrages fortune
Or to takes arms against flamers and rivet counters
And apposing end them? To Die, to sleep
No more; and by a sleep we to say we end
The heart-ache and a natural thousand posts......


Anyone for some Haugen-DOS?[:-^]

Fergi; You're just too much.[bow][bow][bow][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][tup][tup]

[Big_Boy_4005]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Fergmiester

To DOS or not to DOS- That is the question
Whether t'is nobler in the mind to suffer
the spikes and rails of outrages fortune
Or to takes arms against flamers and rivet counters
And apposing end them? To Die, to sleep
No more; and by a sleep we to say we end
The heart-ache and a natural thousand posts......


Anyone for some Haugen-DOS?[:-^]

Poor Fergie, they really did beat that Shakespear stuff into you back in school.
Time wounds all heels
Time heals all wounds.[:D]

[Anonymous]

Brilliant Fergi. It brough a tear to my eye.[bow]