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Stung by the LHS!

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Posted by Medina1128 on Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:05 AM

Hey, I went to McDonald's (in the drive-thru), ordered two cherry pies, drove home, only to discover that they had put 2 apple pies in the sack. Silly me, I had forgotten the number one rule of Leo Getz (Lethal Weapon 2), "NEVER GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THRU!!"

What I learned from this experience is: ALWAYS CHECK WHAT YOU BUY BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE STORE...

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Posted by d van on Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:24 AM
My LHS is 3 hours.....do like I do...order direct from Walthers....always had good resultd. Over the years and many orders I have had one error and it was fixed to my satisfaction.
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Posted by nscaler711 on Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:33 PM
Right i forgot he was in canada......umm i dont know i might look to see.....

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Posted by grayfox1119 on Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:48 PM

It boils down to two things:

1. Do you believe in giving anyone a second chance who wronged you?

2. Always give your special orders to your LHS's in writing. Never, and I mean NEVER, trust the word of mouth. Too easy to mis-understand on the part of the buyer and the seller. The written word leaves no doubt about what the intentions are.

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Posted by Nagrom1 on Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:30 PM

 I can see some tempers starting to flair. I do agree with you on some things. They should have made every effort to make sure the order was the right one. This is what I try to do at work, and I know it works. Maybe they had some issues with your order, but please sum it up as a learning experience.

  And by the way, I mean no hard feelings in anything mentioned on this post. I just hate situations like this, and want what is best for the purchaser and the merchant, and to avoid these situations. One word of advice though. if you decide to go mailorder from the states count on another $30 in customs and taxes. I missed that one on my last order.

  Goodluck,

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Posted by scottychaos on Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:50 PM

another thing to keep in mind..

just because some website somewhere says the item "is in stock" doesnt necessarily make it so! ;) many many dealer webpages are very poorly updated..the webpage might say something is in stock that in reality has been sold out for many months..even years.

I have no idea how well Walthers keeps their page updated, im not referring to them specifically..im just pointing out that a webpage is seldom a good way to determine if an item is really available or not, you have no idea how old the information is..the LHS maybe had a very hard time finding the item...it happens.

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Posted by trainman6446 on Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:33 PM
Sounds to me like the LHS dropped the ball by not ordering the set from Walthers like they said they would. After that long of a wait, I would have checked to make sure I had the right item. In my case it would save me a 25 mile drive.
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Posted by BlueHillsCPR on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:06 AM

 trainman6446 wrote:
Sounds to me like the LHS dropped the ball by not ordering the set from Walthers like they said they would.

 That was my take on the situation.  Yes, it is up to me to makes sure I received what I ordered and that was my error.  I accept that.

 I went back to the LHS yesterday to return the item.  I had mellowed somewhat by the time I got to the shop and because I had decided not to have the LHS try to get the correct item I wanted, I was considering picking up other stuff that I need/want, so the LHS would get a sale out of all this afterall.

When I spoke to the owner about returning the item he was ok about it.  He asked me what the problem was with the item and I told him that it was the wrong item and explained how it differed from what I ordered.   He told me that this item matched the part number they had written in their order book.  Recalling how I placed the order, ( had the clerk turn to the specific page in the walthers catalog so I could show him the item.  I watched him copy down the catalog number from the catalog into the order book) I told him that I didn't think he would find the number was the same.  To this he glared at me and said "I'll betcha!"  I decided right there that I was just taking my money and moving on.  I just looked at him until he said "it doesn't matter anyway" and finished the return.

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Posted by Soo Line fan on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:04 AM

 BlueHillsCPR wrote:

I watched him copy down the catalog number from the catalog into the order book) I told him that I didn't think he would find the number was the same.  To this he glared at me and said "I'll betcha!"  I decided right there that I was just taking my money and moving on. 

 

Real nice, blame the victim. My what a professional attitude.

"I'll betcha" that he ordered it from a non-Walthers source because he got a better deal. This source did not have the set you wanted so he got the other one instead.

He had a chance to rectify it and chose not too. Order online.

Jim

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Posted by BlueHillsCPR on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:04 PM
 Don Gibson wrote:

It was never my intention to use this forum to moan and whine...
 But you did, didn't you! (Actions speak louder than words).

MOREover - you appeared to be more interesting in 'accessing 'blame' than correcting it. So, WHAT ARE YOUR MOTIVATIONS?

PEOPLE make mistakes (what's new?). MOST people endeavor to correct them.  You?      Maybe this LHS screwed up.  (Too many pay employees minimum wage).

Since you at one point you "were willing to foget the whole thing" ... it couldn't have been that big a deal (Opinion).

It was never my intention to use this forum to moan and whine.
  Really??

 Blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yadda...Censored [censored]

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Posted by Chuck Geiger on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:06 PM

LHS's suck - bottom line...They are upset because the store isn't filled with customers spending top dollar everyday.

 

 

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Posted by Pathfinder on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:40 PM
 BlueHillsCPR wrote:

When I spoke to the owner about returning the item he was ok about it.  He asked me what the problem was with the item and I told him that it was the wrong item and explained how it differed from what I ordered.   He told me that this item matched the part number they had written in their order book.  Recalling how I placed the order, ( had the clerk turn to the specific page in the walthers catalog so I could show him the item.  I watched him copy down the catalog number from the catalog into the order book) I told him that I didn't think he would find the number was the same.  To this he glared at me and said "I'll betcha!"  I decided right there that I was just taking my money and moving on.  I just looked at him until he said "it doesn't matter anyway" and finished the return.

Yup, a good way to win new customers.  Sorry it turned out that way for you, and him as well.

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Posted by philnrunt on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:11 PM

  And ya know, it wasn't all about the mistake, like it was said, people make mistakes. It was the dismissive, "you're the idiot" attitude of the shop owner and employees that sealed the deal.

   I don't mind having a problem with something, thats par for the course these days of computer orders and doing stuff without ever seeing the item you are buying. I have a problem with the people who make YOU feel like you were the problem the whole problem and nothing but the problem.

   Time and money are too precious to squander at places, either LHS or computer or catalogue, that treat you poorly. Customer service still matters, and the best way to show that is to vote with your business.

   Good places deserve our support. Let the others reap what they sow!

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Posted by challenger3980 on Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:34 AM
 Chuck Geiger wrote:

LHS's suck - bottom line...They are upset because the store isn't filled with customers spending top dollar everyday.

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    I have to DISAGREE with You Chuck, there are MANY GREAT LHSs out there, I am VERY FORTUNATE to live only about 4 miles from WHistle Stop Trains, in Portland, OR (although, it can be VERY UNHEALTHY to my budget Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]) They treat thier customers very well, are well stocked and handlle Special Orders Quickly, Professionally and with a SMILE Big Smile [:D]. On the RARE occasion that there has been a mistake it has been taken care of quickly and to my satisfaction. Their price may be a bit higher than an online supplier, but all too often people forget to figure shipping into the price, and that can quickly run online prices close to the LHS's price, especially for those of us in O-Gauge, my Bigboy weighs about 15 POUNDS, that gets expensive to pay shipping on. If I want some track, scenery supplies, paint, or whatever, I can drive down to the shop, BS for 10 minutes, and be home half an hour after I left, not waiting a week for the shipping to finish my project.

   I do sometimes buy online, again being in O-Gauge, with smaller production runs, and fewer road names, produced for each item, each year, online and ebay in particular is sometimes the ONLY way to find an out of production item. The LHS is still my first choice. I am sorry that not everyone has an LHS like whistle Stop just a 10 minute drive away, but I am VERY THANKFUL that I do.Smile [:)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 29, 2007 6:45 AM

I enjoy TWO Hobby Shops and they dont "Suck" In fact, if all there was left but these two then you know you are inside a hobby shop. Not some sort of fantasy land like... wally's hobby world and crafts. Erf!

I have a budget and stick to it. My wife has more than extracted extra punishment for slightly bending said budget.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:29 AM

 dieselfan04 wrote:
Why didn't you order directly from Walthers?

 

Walthers is full price..Better would be to order from a on line shop at discount.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:40 AM
 Chuck Geiger wrote:

LHS's suck - bottom line...They are upset because the store isn't filled with customers spending top dollar everyday.

I am incline to agree with you..I have found for every good shop there are several "bad" shops whose owners are about as friendly as a mad she coon protecting her pups.

As I mention before I do the majority of my shopping on line these days..Its cheaper and usually faster especially if I need to special order a item.I just add that item to my next order and when I do order its usually on Sundays and I receive my order by Thursday or Friday.Neither of the not so local shops has that fast of a turn around.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:47 AM

I agree, probably a rough average of half the shops out there are bad, either because the owner or the guy working the counter is a jerk, or because the shop stocks little I need or the prices are way higher than I can get at most online discounters.  I rarely darken the door of a hobby shop anymore and I used to make it a point to look up a couple shops in the cities I was at when I was traveling for work.  I still travel for work but rarely even bother going to the trouble to look up a shop, and try to find it and go look around.  Its alot of work with little reward.

For those of you with a good shop with good stock and a decent discount, count your blessings.

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Posted by on30francisco on Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:35 PM
Most but not all of my experiences with hobby shops have not been very good. Their prices were all MSRP or higher and they very seldom stocked what I needed. Couple that with gruff salesmen who's looks could stop a train and the aloof customers who grimaced when they discovered that I modeled something other than what they were interested in. On the contrary, I get excellent and courteous servive, not to mention great prices, at the several online shops I use. They treat me as if I'm the only customer they have.
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Posted by BlueHillsCPR on Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:30 PM
The shop that existed when I started in Model Railroading was a good shop.  A nice older fellow ran it and he was always very helpful.  I nearly "lived" in his shop when I was about 12.  When he passed on the shop disappeared to be replaced later by a shop in a mall downtown.  The prices were high and the owner was not helpful in the least.  He carried a line of "fringe" paraphernalia, (if you know what I mean) behind the counter, that he seemed more interested in selling than anything else.  The fact that he spoke his own language far better than he spoke english added to the frustration of dealing with him.  The current shop is not much different.  The owner is not a helpful person.  His one employee is either a son or other carbon copy of the owner.  The prices are easily double what I would pay from one of the many US online hobby companies and with the Canadian Dollar riding high at the moment the US prices are even more attractive than usual.  Of course, consumers are not seeing the benefit of the strong dollar when shopping locally.  Retailers in Canada are making it hard not to shop across the border when they won't pass on the savings to the customer.  Somebody is pocketing a lot more profit than before!
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Posted by last mountain & eastern hogger on Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:37 PM

Whistling [:-^]

Just a note of defence for Redline Hobbies,

I have ordered through this outlet, things from Locos to models and although I have sometimes wondered about the time frame, my order has always come in as ordered.

Other than the price that we always complain about, we must realize that these people have an investment there in stock and building and all the associated overhead costs, labor, light,heat, etc. that all have to be covered where many of the online stores do not.

If we want that hobby shop in our neighborhood we have to support it maybe not completely but we still must support it or it will not be there when you don't want to wait a week for some small items, or even that bigger one that you have been eyeballing for six months.----another reason costs are so high is the turnover rate of some of these items that we want but they have to hang on to it until it fits "OUR" budget and time frame.

Just my My 2 cents [2c] worth.

Cone on guys, keep smiling, it looks good on you.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 29, 2007 2:09 PM

I have several different hobby shops in my area.  Let me stress area because there are about 5 good train shops, but they are all an hour away.  Fortunately, there is a hobbytown about 15 minutes away, the only problem is that they have very limited HO equipment in stock.  BUT, the guy who owns it is really a nice guy.  If they have stuff that I need I'll buy it there for a few more bucks than online.  At least I get to play with ti immediately, LOL.

On the flip side there is a strictly train store about 45 minutes away.  They have a huge amount of everything.  All scales.  The only problem is the owner is a real jerk.  I bought about $250 worth of equipment one day.  And I forgot to get some KD couplers, so after I paid I asked the guy where I could find the couplers.  I mean this is a very cluttered store.  I knew there was no way I was going to find a little manilla envelope without help.  So I ask him.  He says, Bill just went to dinner, so he can't help you.  I said alright can you tell me where they are or show me.  He looks at me like I am asking him to take a bullet for me.  Gives a nice big sarcastic sigh, like I am completely out of line.  Then tells me he has no idea where they are.  I mean its his store!  Also, I had just spent 250 dollars.  If I wasn't so excited about running my new steam loco I would have returned the stuff right then and there.  Unfortunately, I really wanted this train so I just lived with the poor treatment. 

You got to love some of these retail owners whos livelyhood depend on customers and then they treat their customers like crap.  I guess if your a jerk, your a jerk, no matter what your occupation.

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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:33 PM

Smitty311,

I've been in a similar situation before but, imho, I think you should have said something to that store's owner, even if you weren't going to return your purchase.   A simple:  "Sir, I just added $250 to your cash register, am I troubling you too much because I want to spend a few more dollars?"  

Mr. Grumpy would have most likely rechecked his attitude. No need to get nasty, of course, but sometimes a quick "one-liner" in a calm tone while smiling  is all it takes to improve a customer relations scenario.

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