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Problem with my MRC Prodigy Advance2

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Problem with my MRC Prodigy Advance2
Posted by nemesys on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 1:59 PM

I think I have a big problem. I'm relatively new to DCC and recently acquired an MRC Prodigy Advance2. While replacing cars on my layout while holding my cab, it seems I accidentally programmed a consist. My loco on address 1 is not responding anymore. When I press "Loco" and enter "1" like I did since the beginning, the cab displays "Consist" at what appears to be address 1. If I increase the throttle, nothing happens. I read the instructions in MRC's manual to clear the consist. I pressed "Consist" 3 times to get the "Consist: clr" on the cab, then pressed enter and entered 1, the cab goes back to "Consist 1". I tried to reprogram my loco at address 1 to address 16 on a programming track. I can read CV values. CV 17 and 18 seems to display 16. But when I put my loco on the main track and enter 16 for the loco, nothing happens.

Can someone help me getting out of this mess?

Thanks in advance!

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 4:33 PM

Set CV19 to 0, that will clear the consist.

What decoder is it? Might be easier to just reset the decoder if it has a reset option. Then it will be address 3, but you cna then set it to whatever you want. Unless the cab number is 1, it's probbaly easier to set the address to the cab number instead of using 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. Easier to remember, anyway - just read it off the side of the loco.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 4:42 PM

Randy is correct try a reset back to 3.
 
Reprogram the locomotive to 0003 and start over.  Don’t do a consist unless you are running two or more locomotives in a consist.  Use the Loco button on the upper left to run a single locomotive.
 
 
 
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Posted by nemesys on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 4:59 PM

rrinker

Set CV19 to 0, that will clear the consist.

What decoder is it? Might be easier to just reset the decoder if it has a reset option. Then it will be address 3, but you cna then set it to whatever you want. Unless the cab number is 1, it's probbaly easier to set the address to the cab number instead of using 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. Easier to remember, anyway - just read it off the side of the loco.

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Hmmm... good question. It's the decoder in the Broadway Limited Imports UP Big Boy (4-8-8-4). Not sure if it's Paragon3? How do you reset a decoder?

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Posted by nemesys on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 5:00 PM

RR_Mel

Randy is correct try a reset back to 3.
 
Reprogram the locomotive to 0003 and start over.  Don’t do a consist unless you are running two or more locomotives in a consist.  Use the Loco button on the upper left to run a single locomotive.
 
 
 
Mel
 
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Mel,

I didn't intend to create a consist. I was just holding he cab in one hand while re-arranging cars on the track. It's when I tried to start my loco that i realized it would no longer to any command and then I noticed that the cab was displaying "Cons" when I would press "Loco" and enter "1".

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Posted by RR_Mel on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 5:13 PM

When you press the Consist button does it say SET?
 
Try removing the hand held control RJ45 from the controller and plugging it into a different Cab Jack.
 
Try the Loco button then Recall to select your locomotive.
 
 
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Posted by nemesys on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 5:14 PM
By the way, how do I set a loco address more than 3 characters long with the Prodigy Advance? The MRC manual says CV17 and CV18 are "Extended address - upper & lower bytes, 4 digit address" but you can only input a 3 digits value for a CV. And what should go in CV 1 which is the short address?
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Posted by nemesys on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 5:19 PM

RR_Mel

When you press the Consist button does it say SET?
 
Try removing the hand held control RJ45 from the controller and plugging it into a different Cab Jack.
 
Try the Loco button then Recall to select your locomotive.
 
 
Mel
 
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Mel,

I just tried unplugging and plug in the hand held control to a different jack. As soon as I plug it, it displays "CONS 0001". Trying to recall, I can't see "Loco 1". What I see when recalling are my other locos and the "CONS 1".

Yes, when I press the Consist button once, it displays "SET". I press again and it displays "old SET". I press a 3rd time and it displays "clr". I press "Enter" like it's suggested in the manual. The cab then asks for a CONS #. I enter "1", then "Enter" and it's back at displaying "CONS 0001".

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Posted by RR_Mel on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 5:26 PM

Have you powered the controller off so that it would do a reboot?  Pull the power plug from the back of the controller for a bout 30 seconds.
 
 
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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 5:32 PM

 And they say Digitrax manuals are ambiguous..ok, after reading the Advanced^2 manual, I think what they mean when they say enter 0-9 is to use the number keys and put in whatever sort of address you want - not that you cna just use 0-9. So if you want to make the loco address 1234, just put in 1234 at the Addr prompt. It will take care of CV17,18, and 29 for you.

 Your original loco address was 1, that doesn't necessarily mean your accidental consist number is also 1. I'd follow the instructions on setting a CV and make sure 19 is set to 0. If you accidently created an advanced consist, resetting the system or the cab won't undo that, it's programmed in the decoder.

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Posted by nemesys on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 5:38 PM

RR_Mel

Have you powered the controller off so that it would do a reboot?  Pull the power plug from the back of the controller for a bout 30 seconds.
 
 
Mel
 
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OK, I did unplug the controller off for a couple of minutes. Plugged it back in and the cab again displays "CONS 0001". My Big Boy is not even on the main track, it's on the program track. I checked the Paragon3 CVs and was able to do a reset of the decoder by putting "8" in to CV8. Since I already have a loco with address 3, I  changed the Big Boy to address 16 (since I still don't know how to enter a 4 digits address).

I think I'm getting somewhere! I put back the loco (Big Boy) on the main track. Entered "16" and then forward and it starting puffing and chuggling along!

Thank you!

I'm still stuck with this "CONS 1" when I press "Loco" and enter "1". I guess I'll never be able to set a loco to address 1 but that won't be a problem because I want to change the loco addresses to their road numbers.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 6:07 PM

Randy is correct, just inter your locomotive address 4001 or what ever.  If you error just put in 0s until it’s back to 0000 and start over.  The four digit address will program the number in the display.
 
 
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Posted by RR_Mel on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 6:18 PM

As for your controller coming up in Consist that’s one I haven’t been able to get mine to do.  No matter what it always comes up with the last locomotive in use.  Make sure you have your Big Boy as the last locomotive number on the display when you turn off your Prodigy, it should say the Big Boy address when turned back on.
 
 
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Posted by nemesys on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 6:46 PM

RR_Mel

Randy is correct, just inter your locomotive address 4001 or what ever.  If you error just put in 0s until it’s back to 0000 and start over.  The four digit address will program the number in the display.
 
 
Mel
 
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Ok, I put the Big Boy back on the programming track. I did assume that I had to set CV1 with the 4 digits address? Well, that's what I tried. It doesn't work. It keeps the old address. After I reset the decoder, I set it from the default 3 to 16 for 4016. Then, everything was fine. After reading your message and Randy's message about how to input the long address, I put it back on the programming track and tried to set CV1 to 4017. Back on the main track, the Big Boy doesn't respond when I enter 4017 to loco. But when I enter 16, it does recognize it.

So, obviously, I'm missing something. I was thinking that maybe CV17 has to be set with the high bytes of the address desired, in my case "40" and CV18 the low bytes, or "16". Would that make sense?

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:19 PM

Don't program CVs, just enter the address when the cab prompts for Addr. CV1 is the short address (1-127, or some variation depending on the system). You should not have to monkey with CV1, CV17, CV18, or CV29. The system does it for you based on what digits you put in for the address when asked.

ANd you cna just keep hitting numbers until you get what you want. Suppose you want 4001, but hit the 1 twice by accident. The display should do this:

0004 (press 4)

0040 (press 0)

0400 (press 0)

4001 (press 1)

0011  (oops, hit the 1 twice - so now just start over)

0114 (press 4)

1140 (press 0)

1400 (press 0)

4001 (press 1)

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Posted by RR_Mel on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:23 PM

 
If you’re going to be doing a lot of programming I would suggest getting the MRC USB computer adapter and use JMRI Decoder Pro software.  It’s a freebee download and it has drivers for all DCC decoders.  Randy put me on to it and it works great.  That way you don’t need to go searching for CV info on all the different decoders.  It also saves all the data for each locomotive/decoder address for reprogramming.
 
The adapter is a bit pricy but worth every penny ($50), and I'm a tightwad.  There is a slight learning curve for Decoder Pro but if an 80 year old can conquer it anyone can.  
 
 
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Posted by nemesys on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:31 PM
Thank you guys. I will look into the USB adapter. Not that I'm planning to do a lot of programming but there are things I would like to change, like the master volume on the Paragon 3 decoder in the Big Boy. I put back the Big Boy on the programming track, selected "Prog Prog read" and then tried to get the value of CV133, which is supposed to be the master volume and is set at 128 in the factory settings. Well, the cab read back a value of 10, which doesn't make any sense. The value is supposed to be 0-255 with 255 the loudest. It's definitely very loud when I put the loco on the track. I then tried to read other CV values and some made sense when compared to the factory settings but others didn't make any sense. So, yes, I think I will just program the loco address for now and will get the USB adapter. I am already aware of some of the functionalities of the JMRI java application. I've been a programmer for over 25 years, so I know a thing or two about software. I would like again to thank you, guys. Specially the suggestion to check if the decoder could be reset. That's what put me back on track, no pun intended! And by the way, I did try the "hold delete for 2 seconds" to delete a loco address for the cab when CONS 0001 was displayed. That seems to have taken care of it. I was able to enter "Loco 1" and it would stay at "Loco 0001", not "CONS 0001" like before. Yay!
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Posted by RR_Mel on Tuesday, April 3, 2018 8:26 PM

I’m a long time Prodigy user (12 years) so if I can be of any help send me a message through the forum.
 
 
 
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