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replacement for UTP
Posted by gregc on Friday, March 16, 2018 7:38 AM

while i know many of you wouldn't dare consider using anything but recommended parts, is there any reason the $8 6P6C breakout board couldn't be used instead of the $20 UTP?

  

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Posted by bearman on Friday, March 16, 2018 7:42 AM

Who is the manufacturer?  And also consider if any warranty may be void by using a non-recommended part and something goes wrong.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Friday, March 16, 2018 8:07 AM

The one on the left is from Ebay China.  Since my Iphone and computer were built there, I'll bet they know how to wire in parallel.  

I'm going to call my buddy Don and slap a $10 tariff on it.  Devil

 

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Posted by hon30critter on Friday, March 16, 2018 8:34 AM

gregc
is there any reason the $8 6P6C breakout board couldn't be used instead of the $20 UTP?

Yes. It's called supporting the model railroad industry.

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Posted by bearman on Friday, March 16, 2018 8:35 AM

I am sure they do know how to wire in parallel but I am still leery about using that panel.  And who does the warranty if the panel or the commend station booster fails? 

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Posted by carl425 on Friday, March 16, 2018 8:41 AM

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Yes. It's called supporting the model railroad industry.

Weren't you complaining about a MR ad on the forum just the other day?  Since ads are how MR pays for the forum, I would think tolerating them would also be considered  "supporting the model railroad industry".

Before you build a glass house you should probably put down that stone. :)

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Posted by bearman on Friday, March 16, 2018 8:45 AM

Oh, man, let's not go there again.

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Posted by carl425 on Friday, March 16, 2018 8:49 AM

bearman

Oh, man, let's not go there again. 

Sorry, but I have a hard time letting hypocrisy go unchallenged.

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Posted by bearman on Friday, March 16, 2018 8:51 AM

Ok, Carl, if that is where you want to go.

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Posted by hon30critter on Friday, March 16, 2018 9:02 AM

carl425:

[quote user="carl425"]Weren't you complaining about a MR ad on the forum just the other day?  Since ads are how MR pays for the forum, I would think tolerating them would also be considered  "supporting the model railroad industry".[/quote

Buying directly from a model railroading manufacturer and accepting pop up ads are two totally different things IMHO. The pop up ads are an unnecessary annoyance. Keeping the manufacturers in business is not.

For what it's worth, I would gladly pay for a pop up free MR website.

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Posted by bearman on Friday, March 16, 2018 9:08 AM

Something tells me that this thread is going to quickly spiral out of control.

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Posted by hon30critter on Friday, March 16, 2018 9:15 AM

bearman
Something tells me that this thread is going to quickly spiral out of control.

I apologise if my comments have hyjacked the thread. That was not my intention.

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Posted by hon30critter on Friday, March 16, 2018 9:21 AM

carl425
Sorry, but I have a hard time letting hypocrisy go unchallenged.

Sorry Carl, but I seem to have offended you. That was not my intention. We will have to agree to disagree.

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Posted by gregc on Friday, March 16, 2018 9:57 AM

hadn't thought about warranty issues

hon30critter
It's called supporting the model railroad industry.

doesn't this discourage DIYers?

doesn't scratch building, kitbashing, building your own electronics take money away from commercial MRR products?

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Posted by bearman on Friday, March 16, 2018 10:08 AM

Greg, I am sure that there may not be any warranty problem, but if you want to save 12$ or so and then end up paying 35$ because of a fried circuit breaker or 130$ or so for a new throttle (assuming you are using NCE) that 12$ savings looks kind of meager. 

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Posted by Old Fat Robert on Friday, March 16, 2018 10:25 AM

Gregc: Before this thread gets out of control why don't you set up a few tests of the item and let us know if it works. I would be interested.

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Posted by maxman on Friday, March 16, 2018 10:30 AM

gregc
while i know many of you wouldn't dare consider using anything but recommended parts, is there any reason the $8 6P6C breakout board couldn't be used instead of the $20 UTP?

Seems like a valid question to me.

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Posted by bearman on Friday, March 16, 2018 10:37 AM

And I see another issue, how will you mount it or your layout?  The UTP has the cover panel and the two sockets in back take the RJ12 connector which is hidden behind the layout.  Nice and neat.

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Posted by Old Fat Robert on Friday, March 16, 2018 11:21 AM

Greg: I was unable to find the exact board you referenced in your post. I did find (by entering 6P6C breakout board on the net) one that looks very similiar to "yours" but costs $19.50 a piece. At that price, it would not be worth exchanging. 

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Posted by gregc on Friday, March 16, 2018 11:24 AM

Old Fat Robert
I was unable to find the exact board you referenced in your post.

not at that price.   click on the image in the original post

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Posted by bearman on Friday, March 16, 2018 11:33 AM

Guys, guys, the NCE UTP panel can be had at retail for about 17$.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Friday, March 16, 2018 11:48 AM

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And I see another issue, how will you mount it or your layout? The UTP has the cover panel and the two sockets in back take the RJ12 connector which is hidden behind the layout.

He could put the whole thing under the layout, make up some RJ12 cables and run them to RJ12 wall plates which I found for as low as $0.85

 

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Posted by bearman on Friday, March 16, 2018 12:02 PM

That would work, and look neat as well

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Posted by gregc on Friday, March 16, 2018 12:56 PM

BigDaddy
He could put the whole thing under the layout, make up some RJ12 cables

why not just use paired wires (4) and connect using screw terminal.    Single jack boards with screw terminal can be had for ~$6.

or will i void the warrently by not using an RJ12 NCE cable           (i know ...)

bearman
the NCE UTP panel can be had at retail for about 17$.

can you provide a link?

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Posted by BigDaddy on Friday, March 16, 2018 1:28 PM

Tony’s trains has them for $16.95

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Posted by bearman on Friday, March 16, 2018 1:29 PM

Thank you, Henry.  I suspect that MB Klein will have the same price.

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Posted by gregc on Friday, March 16, 2018 1:30 PM

Old Fat Robert
Before this thread gets out of control why don't you set up a few tests of the item and let us know if it works. I would be interested.

with this board

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Posted by bearman on Friday, March 16, 2018 1:34 PM

Greg, where are you coming up with these boards?

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Posted by gregc on Friday, March 16, 2018 1:51 PM

Bell Labs stockroom

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Posted by bearman on Friday, March 16, 2018 1:53 PM

Ok, Greg.

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