Gary, remind me, do you have a Programming Track Booster?
Rich
Alton Junction
richhotrain Gary, remind me, do you have a Programming Track Booster? Rich
Yes the one you recommended (PTB-100).
As far as I know new locos should respond to address 3 on the main. The fact that they don’t Nd the programming track cant read the decoder makes me think they don’t have decoders.
Gary
I would try programing on the main and write CV 8 = 8.
However, while the ad clearly says Tsunami sound, only the A unit is powered, the picture on the boxes says unpowered on both boxes.
Henry
COB Potomac & Northern
Shenandoah Valley
$425 for unpowered? That would be deceptive advertising DCC & Sound in unpowered locos. Hopefully the seller will respond to my contact request soon.
I did not see the Unpowered picture. But the DCC & Sound made me believe it was powered. Interesting when I rechecked the actual Box the “Un” in Unpowered was crossed out and Powered is underlined. I really don’t want to take the shell off Incase I damage it. Waiting for the seller.
gdelmoro I did not see the Unpowered picture. But the DCC & Sound made me believe it was powered. Interesting when I rechecked the actual Box the “Un” in Unpowered was crossed out and Powered is underlined. I really don’t want to take the shell off Incase I damage it. Waiting for the seller.
The eBay listing is strange because the item is listed as new and unopened, yet the description says that decoders were added in 2013. There is a 14 day return policy with the seller if it comes to that.
gdelmoro Put the a unit on the main, turn on power, select Address 3, Nothing. Same with the B Unit. Put both on the programming track to read the decoder, Unable!
Put the a unit on the main, turn on power, select Address 3, Nothing. Same with the B Unit. Put both on the programming track to read the decoder, Unable!
richhotrain gdelmoro Put the a unit on the main, turn on power, select Address 3, Nothing. Same with the B Unit. Put both on the programming track to read the decoder, Unable! When you put the loco on the programming track, what exactly did you do at that point? And did the message read "cannot read CV"? Rich
When you put the loco on the programming track, what exactly did you do at that point? And did the message read "cannot read CV"?
I put it on the program track and selected the first choice which should read the decoder version. It says Main Off Cannot read CV
Have you tried powering up with just DC as the power source?
I did not see that the un was crossed out on my little laptop, my apologies. I looked for the ad just now and it is gone.
Running on DC would confirm it has a motor, but no help in getting it to run in DCC.
I got this from the seller;
I responded that I liked the models but I didn’t know what he could do short of me sending them back and him fixing them. i also addressed the markings on the box and the decoder installation on a NEW item.
Waiting for response.
gdelmoro richhotrain gdelmoro Put the a unit on the main, turn on power, select Address 3, Nothing. Same with the B Unit. Put both on the programming track to read the decoder, Unable! When you put the loco on the programming track, what exactly did you do at that point? And did the message read "cannot read CV"? Rich I put it on the program track and selected the first choice which should read the decoder version. It says Main Off Cannot read CV
Rich - I have it packed up and the seller is paying for me top return it and has offered to fix anything that is wrong. I asked that he tell me what he finds before I agree to take them back.
Now that I think of it, I remember thinking that they both rolled freely as I moved them back and forth on the re-railer. I think he got scammed when he purchased the collection. I think they ARE unpowered. If they were as advertised, NIB why would he need to cross out UN and underline Powered?
I’m thinking I’ll just get my $$$ back and keep looking.
I’m sending them back today, I’ll see what he says.
Gary,Why does the label have "Walthers" on it and Genesis on the box??
Larry
Conductor.
Summerset Ry.
"Stay Alert, Don't get hurt Safety First!"
Yea..... the whole thing is fishy
BRAKIE Gary,Why does the label have "Walthers" on it and Genesis on the box??
Before Walthers came out with their own F-units, they contracted with Athearn to provide the units for the very first run of their Super Chief train.
Robert Beaty
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Arjay1969 BRAKIE Gary,Why does the label have "Walthers" on it and Genesis on the box?? Before Walthers came out with their own F-units, they contracted with Athearn to provide the units for the very first run of their Super Chief train.
Robert,Thanks for the information.That makes perfect sense.
I'm more into Short lines and Industrial switching roads and I don't keep up with passenger trains.
Gary,
I'm just curious: Do the units feel light when you pick them up? I have a pair of Stewart FT A-Bs. The A is powered; the B, unpowered. There is a significant difference in weight between the one with the motor and the one without. While I realize these would "feel" the same if they are both identical, seems to me if they are unpowered that they would be very lightweight.
Tom
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Time...It marches on...without ever turning around to see if anyone is even keeping in step.
Did not know that, Thanks for the info.
tstage Gary, I'm just curious: Do the units feel light when you pick them up? I have a pair of Stewart FT A-Bs. The A is powered; the B, unpowered. There is a significant difference in weight between the one with the motor and the one without. While I realize these would "feel" the same if they are both identical, seems to me if they are unpowered that they would be very lightweight. Tom
When I picked up the box off the front steps when it was delivered, I thought it was too light. Each piece individually is obviously heavier then normal rolling stock but they roll like rolling stock. I agree no motor no decoders.
They’re going back tomorrow.
Maybe the seller got scammed, maybe not. Who knows, there may be a reasonable explanation.
Of course, this could only happen to Gary.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Hmm, I've purchased a few things from that seller. Not a lot - their prices tend to be awfully high, but I have always gotten the correct item.
--Randy
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Are you looking for Santa Fe F units specifically or were you just looking for F units in general?
Maybe I should re-read the original post before replying. I'll check my LHS's here and see if any are around. A couple of them deal in previously run items.
The same seller has another set, but this time the Walthers Proto versions. They once again use a picture of the L/A set to sell the B/C set, but a quick check of Walthers shows that on their versions, the B/C units DO have Tsunami sound and are powered. Unlike the Athearn built sets where only the L and A were powered. I'd look around though, you should be able to do a lot better than their price.
rrinker The same seller has another set, but this time the Walthers Proto versions. They once again use a picture of the L/A set to sell the B/C set, but a quick check of Walthers shows that on their versions, the B/C units DO have Tsunami sound and are powered. Unlike the Athearn built sets where only the L and A were powered. I'd look around though, you should be able to do a lot better than their price. --Randy
Still looking, they’re hard to find.
Thread moved to DCC forum at OP's request.
--Steven Otte, Model Railroader senior associate editorsotte@kalmbach.com
Steven Otte Thread moved to DCC forum at OP's request.
Thanks
I PM'd you with what I found at my LHS. He said the Athearn Genesis Warbonnets were long gone.
Ok so the seller offered to power and install decoders in both units. I told him I was not interested unless he was making an adjustment to the price since these were never NIB powered DCC & Sound units. They were unpowered that after market power and decoders would be installed. He would not lower the price.
I requested my money back.
This was justed listed on eBay: The complete ABBA set with 2 powered (DC, not DCC or sound) and 2 unpowered units. From my experience, 2 units are plenty of power for 10-12 passenger cars, unless you have 4% grades.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Athearn-Genesis-HO-Santa-Fe-F-7A-F-7B-1-Powered-Set-1-Unpowered-Set-MIB/302773221624?hash=item467eb0b8f8:g:OUYAAOSw8mpbJD3s