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Measuring DCC current

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Posted by mfm37 on Monday, May 15, 2017 9:42 PM

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Posted by carl425 on Monday, May 15, 2017 10:05 PM

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You have to admit they look cool.

At least as cool as a tachometer in a car with an automatic transmission.

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Posted by Mark R. on Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:56 AM

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Posted by mobilman44 on Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:10 PM

Personally, I've never cared for the word "troll" as it is often used on forums.  I think "muckraker" is a much more appropriate moniker. 

I'ved been involved with this forum for going on 14 years.  It never ceases to amaze me how a new members first post(s) are complaints, or "versus", or trying to bully their beliefs and preferences to others.  

Many of the other forums I belong to (i.e. F150, Smith-Wesson, Ford, APS, etc.) put newbies on a probation period wherein their posts are seriously reviewed to assue the "applicant" is sincere and not looking to "rake muck"..........

 

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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:58 PM

 They do here as well - that's why you see posts suddenly appear BELOW oens you already read, and you know it wasn't there the day before. That's a newbie posting with moderated status and one of the mods releasing the post.

 See this person's first thread - first couple of posts (to get past the moderation period) were fairly reasonable. Only after he could post freely did it really go off the rails (no offense to Gerry Leone, his antics are MUCH more enjoyable, plus you actually learn a thing or two).

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Posted by B. Bryce on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 7:41 AM

This is a long thread and if I missed something, please forgive, if not please answer.  The question is NOT about DCC voltage, but measuring the current draw from the booster.  Can you use a standard 0-5 amp ammeter (not voltmeter, not multimeter, just a plain old ammeter) to measure DCC current coming out of the booster and being used by the track?  I am well aware of the difference between resistance (ohms) current (amps), volts, sine wave volts, square wave volts, ohms law and kirchoff's laws and I already have a fluke multimeter, harbor freight junk-o-meters and a RRamp meter.  I just want to know if a plain jane every day panel mounted ten dollar ammeter will work or not.

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Posted by gregc on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:04 AM

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Can you use a standard 0-5 amp ammeter to measure DCC current coming out of the booster and being used by the track?

the current between the booster and track is also alternating.

you could measure the current between the power supply and booster.   that would include current consumed by the booster circuitry itself which would be indicated without any track connection.

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Posted by B. Bryce on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:22 AM

I'm reading that AC or DC ammeters under 20-30 amps all will work the same.  Only measuring 2-5 amps being used by the track max using an ammeter of 0-10 amp max range.  My fluke doesn't have seperate selectors for AC or DC amps or milliamps, just milliamps.  Also curious how much power the ammeter itself will draw, if it is a concern or negligable at this level of current draw.

 

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Posted by richg1998 on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:29 AM

My Power Cab shows current very nicely.

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Posted by B. Bryce on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:33 AM

Mine does as well, but only if you are using it as a stand alone 2 amp Power Cab, since the Power Cab is also the power supply.  I believe that once you install a booster, the Power Cab will not show the amps any longer as the Power Cab is no longer the power supply, only the controller, at least mine does not unless I am not using the SB5 booster, just the Power Cab.

I just want to know how close I am to needing to install another 5 amp booster to my system before I overload the 5 amp SB5 booster.

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Posted by richg1998 on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:43 AM

Some years ago I built two five amp DCC amp meters using the below circuit. Cost about fifteen dollars some years ago.

http://www.circuitous.ca/DCCammeter10.html

I used a high amp rheostat to test it.

The club NCE five amp Power Pro tripped at about 4.97 amps and it used a Harbor Freight multimeter on the 20ma DC scale as one option.

I used a red LED volt meter option so the club could see it from anywhere.

A tree terminal device does the conversion.

This guy post circuits after testing them.

You can also buy a RRampmeter. More expensive. Google it.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 9:13 AM

I’ll second Rich.
 
I have two of the Rob Paisley ammeter circuits both using cheapo digital panel meters for readout.  One installed in my control panel the other on my workbench.  They Work Great!!!
 
 
The DCC meters are on the left panel, volts on the left amps on the right.  I did a mod to Rods circuit using a switch to select 0-500ma or 0-5 amps.
 
 
I would suggest you buy the board with the tiny chips installed from Rob.  I bought the plain circuit board first thinking I could solder the two ZXCT1009 chips to the board, after all I spent almost 50 years in electronics.  Well I reorder the boards with the chips installed and everything went well.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 10:10 AM

 In the high current modes (like the 10 amp range), the 'load' of a multimeter is negligible (possibly not for some super cheapy version). Current is measured as the voltage drop across a calibrated shunt resistor. It's when measuring low power devices that the effect of this voltage drop becomes noticeable. There are special low current devices and multimeters with such circuitry built in. This voltage drop is called the burden voltage.

 For track power levels - not an issue.

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