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Would like to build a power pack for my HO trains.

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Would like to build a power pack for my HO trains.
Posted by HejhogMarty on Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:41 PM

I just signed up to the forums today. I used to have a small train layout in my old home back in 1984. I moved and since retired  and want to get back into the hobby. I built a transformer back then using a design from MR from a EE who worked for Philips electronics. I can't find my copy from that year, but the  transformer had air brake simulation as good or better than store bought units I had from MRC,  and Troller. It worked great! I like building electronic things.

Can anyone point me in the right direction to find electrical layouts for power packs for running HO scale trains?

regards HejhogMarty

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Posted by jrbernier on Thursday, March 27, 2014 9:26 AM

 Welcome Back Marty,

  What you are decribing sounds like the TAT IV throttle project published in Model Railroader many years ago.  One of the problems trying to build these units us the lack of parts or substitution parts that are available.  Motors have changed overthey years(draw much less current) and DCC has sort of taken over model train control field.

  If you do a Google Search on 'TAT IV throttle', you will find lots of hits - Maybe some of the circuit diagrams.

Jim

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Posted by JoeinPA on Thursday, March 27, 2014 9:44 AM

The TAT IV throttle Jim mentioned is featured in the March 1969 Model Railroader. As I recall there were a feww corrections listed in later editions. You may be able to get a copy of the issue from Kalmbach. I built one of these and used it for a while but I am glad that I am now using DCC. It has opened a lot of doors for me.

Joe

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Thursday, March 27, 2014 10:05 AM

Welcome aboard, Marty!  Welcome

I'm also a "returning" model railroader.  I looked at DCC when I came back, and decided it was the way to go.  I know I made the right decision.

It's not for everyone, of course, but I think you should take a serious look at it before investing time and dollars in anything else.

From your pictures, it looks like you've got some connection to the Boston area.  There is a train show in Shirley, MA, on April 6th.  Shows are a great way to see what's going on, both from what's available for sale and from looking at the operating layouts.  Someone will be happy to show you a bit about DCC if you ask.

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Posted by richg1998 on Thursday, March 27, 2014 10:20 AM

Our club some years ago built The Pacematic Throttle by Peter Thorne. Article in MRR magazine.

 I modified mine using the 555 IC for PWM. A MPSA13 Darlington transistor and a 2N3055 power transistor.

 Slapping a resistor across the 10K pot with a SPST switch gave me more range on the pot for switching speeds.

 A 4 x 2 x 2 Mini box held everything. Fed with filtered 14 VDC.

 Rich

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Thursday, March 27, 2014 12:58 PM

I recall a transistor throttle circuit diagram in the February 1973 issue of Model Railroader.  Don't know if it was by the author you are looking for or not.

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Posted by maxman on Thursday, March 27, 2014 1:13 PM

If you look up at the top of this page you'll see in small print "resources".  Hover your mouse cursor over this and a drop down will appear.  In the drop down one of the choices will be "magazine index".   Once you get to the index page you'll be able to search by topic within your choice of magazines.

In the interest of clarification (and not to be nit-picky), you probably want to be searching for "transistor throttle".  I suspect what you built was not a "transformer", nor was it really a "power pack".

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Posted by gregc on Thursday, March 27, 2014 4:05 PM

maxman
  In the drop down one of the choices will be "magazine index".   Once you get to the index page you'll be able to search by topic within your choice of magazines.

Here are the search results from 1984 and earlier

http://trc.trains.com/Train%20Magazine%20Index.aspx?view=SearchResults&q=throttle&startYear=1932&endYear=1984&magazineId=0&advanced=true

are you interested in just building, tinkering or designing?

A similar design today would probably use op-amps instead of transistors and wall warts instead of transformers

greg - Philadelphia & Reading / Reading

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Posted by rrinker on Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:49 PM

 There is a more modern design of the TAT IV that used IC op amps and comparators, it was published in the 80's sometime, called the TAT V. The parts for that might actually still be available.

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Posted by cowman on Thursday, March 27, 2014 8:09 PM

Welcome to the forums and back to model railroading.

If you like building electrical things, sounds like you might enjoy adding decoders and sound to locos.  You can also operate turnouts (switches) and other things with decoders, as I understand it.  My electrical knowledge is a little better than operating the on/off switch (if I can find it)., but I'm not ready to start teariing locos apart to add DCC operation and sound yet.

Good luck,

Richard

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Posted by gondola1988 on Thursday, March 27, 2014 9:00 PM

I built 3 of those back in the 80's and still have them. Everything I have now is Digitrax Radio Dcc, I turned the page and never looked back. I've had Dcc since 1998, and I have about 100 loco's and they are all Dcc equiped and about thirty or so have sound. You can't get any better control than Dcc, it's nice to follow your train and operate the turnouts and have the signals work and thats something the old transformers couldn't do. Look at the new Dcc stuff and maybe visit a hobby shop that has one set up or find a club that uses Dcc you just might change your mind.  Jim.

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Posted by Geared Steam on Friday, March 28, 2014 6:26 PM

HejhogMarty

I just signed up to the forums today. I used to have a small train layout in my old home back in 1984. I moved and since retired  and want to get back into the hobby. I built a transformer back then using a design from MR from a EE who worked for Philips electronics. I can't find my copy from that year, but the  transformer had air brake simulation as good or better than store bought units I had from MRC,  and Troller. It worked great! I like building electronic things.

Can anyone point me in the right direction to find electrical layouts for power packs for running HO scale trains?

regards HejhogMarty

 

Check your private message Marty, to access "Messages" look up on top of the right column

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Posted by HejhogMarty on Saturday, March 29, 2014 9:42 AM
Hey there Mister Beasley! Sorry I didn't send any pictures, you may have been looking at another MR enthusiast's photos! However I have been to Boston,(by the way is a fantastic city!) and I only have one or 2 photos of the coal mining layout I created, back then digital photos did not exist yet, too bad too! I will look for them and try to post them. Thanks for your response and will be in touch! Marty

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Posted by HejhogMarty on Saturday, March 29, 2014 9:51 AM
Hi Maxman, It is okay to be picky! I have to get back into the swing of things , yes I would guess what I built was a form of a momentum throttle. It has a TO3 power transistor on a separate heat sink I created for it on the bottom. I have to pulled it out from storage and have a look see. I was intrigued by the realistic stopping of the loco I was using. Back in the late 70's early 80's is when I built it. Talk to you soon! Marty

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Posted by Geared Steam on Friday, April 4, 2014 7:10 PM

Your welcome? .

sometimes I wonder why I bother...Laugh

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Posted by xdford on Monday, April 7, 2014 4:01 AM

Hi Marty,

I have a fairly good throttle design on my website www.xdford.digitalzones.com and I have made a series of drawings on building it within a box which I could send you. PM me if you would like to see them...

Regards from Australia

Trevor

 

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Posted by gatrhumpy on Monday, April 7, 2014 9:03 AM

Why not just buy one?

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Posted by HejhogMarty on Sunday, April 27, 2014 9:38 AM
Hello Trevor , It's nice to hear from someone from down under! I will look at what you have sent. I have since bought a Digitrax Zephyr Xtra for right now. Since I have a small layout I am building, I wanted to get started in DCC , I saw this at a local hobby shop and they had one running, which was nice! They ran several of my 30 year old locos on the Zephyr throttle and decided to buy some new tech locos. I will chat with you again down the road! Best Regards from Northeast IL , USA Marty

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