I don't know if this fits you bill or not, but this is NKP No. 587, a Mikado, arranged in a push-pull fashion with a Monon F9, No. 83, to haul passengers through the street trackage in Noblesville, Indiana.
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Here's No. 83, since you can't really see it much in the above photo....
Is that strange enough?
Here's a shot of an electric with a steam locomotive--not exactly "more modern stuff" but seldom do you see a steam loco on an interurban. This is from the Tidewater Southern, where steam locos were banned from operation on city streets but electrics could haul the trains through.
rrebell wrote:What I need is pics of say a steam engine helping a couple diesels over a rise or billboard reefers lashed up to more modern stuff, not models or staged but real photos. Please post pics or give were to find, and yes I have tryed but the stuff I've found is not strange enough.
Why settle for just pictures? WB Video Productions ( http://www.railfanvideo.com/catalog/categoryview.aspx?catid=003 ) has 60 minutes of UP 3985 pulling double stacks from Cheyenne to North Platte. If that ain't "unprototypical", I don't know what is.
Andre
pcarrell wrote: I don't know if this fits you bill or not, but this is NKP No. 587, a Mikado, arranged in a push-pull fashion with a Monon F9, No. 83, to haul passengers through the street trackage in Noblesville, Indiana. click on pics to enlarge Here's No. 83, since you can't really see it much in the above photo.... Is that strange enough?
Your photos are of an actual scheduled passenger train, but this push/pull setup is very common on scenic and tourist railroads where there's no way to turn motive power at the end of a run.
I had to edit this post. After looking more closely at the photos, this is a tourist train, but that doesn't make it un-prototypical because tourist railroads are prototypes, although we don't often model them.
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BigJim wrote:If you will look in the right books,there are several pictures around where steam was actually helping diesels back in the fifties on the UP and ATSF.
Fairly late in the game, the L&N purchased a small fleet of 2-8-4's, and an A-B-B-A set of covered wagons specifically to act as rear-end pushers for the trains the new Berkshires were acquired to haul. The whole transaction (including opening up a sub-clearance tunnel) was written up in TRAINS when it happened.
Chuck
rayw46,
It is a tourist run, but a regular one. It's also set up in this push-pull fashion because there isn't a way to turn the loco's at the end of the run. Being the loco's were both in use at roughly the same time this is not an impossible scene back in the day.
The wierdest one was a pix from a Trains magazine that showed this beautiful 4-4-0 steaming through verdant farmland with a farmer plowing his field with a 6 horse hitch....
...and the 4-4-0 was PRR 1223 pulling a CR E-44 electric. The E-44 had cracked a wheel and the Strasburg sent the 1223 to drag it to the drop table at Strasburg for CR to repair. The farmer was an Amish resident just doing his thing.
Dave H.
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Not to mention the SP (cab-forwards were used in helper service over Donner up until 1955).
OTOH, steam helping diesels was fairly common during the transition era, so it really couldn't be called "unprototypical".
MR has a picture of a Strasburg 0-6-0 hauling a ACF Grain Hopper, old time coach and a bobber during one of it's revenue moves.
I remember a movie where the 1940's scene was totally destroyed by a very modern double stack sneaking across the overpass way in the background.
mvlandsw wrote:The B&O regularly coupled a steam engine in front of diesel powered passenger trains to help them from Cumberland, Md. to Sandpatch.
Those I think were the Big Sixes.. they had a very high performance.
rtstasiak wrote:Despite the fact that I grew up on the west end of Lehigh Valley Railroad during the 1960s and 1970s I was shocked to find a 1950s photo of an FT diesel A-B set pulling half a dozen freight cars, a combine, and a caboose through the Geneva crossovers onto the Ithaca (passenger) line! [Lehigh Valley Memories by Marcham inside title page.] I never thought that "big guys" like the LV ever hung a multiple unit diesel on a mixed train, let alone ran one within 100 miles of my home! Even more unbelievable, the NYC / MCRR / CASO of Buffalo Central Terminal, Detroit Tunnel, and Detroit Mich. Central Station fame were running a mixed train out of St. Thomas, ON in 1959 with an EMD/GMD switcher, a boxcar, a combine, and a caboose. This was actually during my lifetime, and I am still in treatment for culture shock!http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-700.jpgI think we need to spend a little less time nitpicking and a little more time exploring and documenting "the unprototypical practices of prototype railroads." Building trains and running them would be great, too.RichBaldwins that MU with other makes? How about an NYC Babyface, and CP's switcher fleet!
Not one involving the use of locomotives, but I saw a picture a few years ago in, I believe, an NMRA Bulletin, showing a new signal mast installed firmly in between the rails of a siding.
The accompanying text indicated that the siding was going to be taken out, so the new signal would eventually just be standing beside the mainline and not in the middle of the siding.
Try this link.
http://pentrex.com/galpg22.html
Rick
Safety Valve wrote:I remember a movie where the 1940's scene was totally destroyed by a very modern double stack sneaking across the overpass way in the background.
The movie was "Ray" about the life of Ray Charles.
Here's a link to a really unprototypical prototype. The caption at the bottom says it all.
http://www.kurogane-rail.jp/news/eslman.html
Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - somewhat before SLMAN)