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When to use a bell on a train?

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Posted by CRIP 4376 on Thursday, May 29, 2014 4:09 PM

You are correct.  Several years ago, I had the opportunity to run the Santa Fe simulator in Lenexa, Kansas.  Everytime you used the horn, the bell came on and you had to shut it off manually.

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Posted by salty4568 on Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:48 PM

NO! No continuous ringing! Any warning sound, whether a bell, siren, backup beeper, etc. loses its effectiveness  because people begin to ignore it. How often these days does a person look when hearing a car alarm go off in a parking lot. Emergency vehicles shut off their sirens between intersections when there is nobody close.
Approaching grade crossings, passing stations, and when starting to move is plenty unless there's a situation calling for it, such as people on or next to track, etc.

I'm a retired railroader and I have many times chewed out my fireman (on steam) for wanting to ring the bell too much.

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, May 30, 2014 4:58 AM

salty4568

NO! No continuous ringing! Any warning sound, whether a bell, siren, backup beeper, etc. loses its effectiveness  because people begin to ignore it. How often these days does a person look when hearing a car alarm go off in a parking lot. Emergency vehicles shut off their sirens between intersections when there is nobody close.

 

Trucks backing up sound continuously.

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Posted by zstripe on Friday, May 30, 2014 8:04 AM

There was a small boy standing in line at the Bank with His Mother. In front of them was a very large women. The boy comments to his Mother about how large the woman was. His Mother replied that it is not nice to make fun of people. Just then, the women's pager started beeping, the boy shouted, '' Look out! She's backing up''.   Big Smile Laugh

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Posted by trainnut57 on Saturday, May 31, 2014 3:52 PM

SoapBoxAlong with other information you have received, the bell is used when a moving train is passing a stoped train be it on a siding or in a yard or station

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Sunday, June 1, 2014 1:39 PM

salty4568

NO! No continuous ringing! Any warning sound, whether a bell, siren, backup beeper, etc. loses its effectiveness  because people begin to ignore it. How often these days does a person look when hearing a car alarm go off in a parking lot. Emergency vehicles shut off their sirens between intersections when there is nobody close.
Approaching grade crossings, passing stations, and when starting to move is plenty unless there's a situation calling for it, such as people on or next to track, etc.

I'm a retired railroader and I have many times chewed out my fireman (on steam) for wanting to ring the bell too much.

Skip Luke

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Reference my Mississippi Central post:

          "Tell it to the Judge!"

Note that judges are seldom chosen for intelligence.  How about the one who ruled that both the DRGW and Santa Fe could build through the Royal Gorge...

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Posted by peahrens on Sunday, June 1, 2014 4:50 PM

My grandson and I just made another quick visit to the New Braunfels train museum.  They fixed the cord on the tank engine bell and we got to ring it some, what fun for a 4 year old (and a 66 year old). I can attest that the steamers probably did not ring the bell longer than needed; it gets tiresome.  I presume the diesels have an on/off button they can push.

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Posted by NittanyLion on Monday, June 2, 2014 10:41 PM

Somehow I'd never noticed the bell in tunnel thing until just a week ago.

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Posted by hon30critter on Monday, June 2, 2014 11:48 PM

bobr349:

Don't pay any attention to those who love to point out that you have resurected an old thread.

So what! Its a valid question! The last thing we need on the forum is for somebody going around discouraging members from posting.

When I was first on the forum I revived an old thread just the way you did and got an earful of crap from another poster for doing so. It bothered me for a while Grumpy until I realized that I hadn't done anything wrong, so I told him soAngry! That made me feel even better!Smile, Wink & GrinLaugh

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Posted by hon30critter on Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:07 AM

Rich:

I respectfully suggest that your comment could be taken the wrong way. The poster has only made two posts in three years. Your response could be enough to turn him off from making further posts even though he apparently has valid information to share.

When I was first on the forum I did the same thing - I revived an old post. Somebody took me to task rather harshly. (I'm not suggesting that you were being harsh.) I wondered for a minute whether I wanted to continue to participate if I was to criticized for making a simple comment. I responded by asking what the heck I had done wrong. Apparently nothing, but it still left a taste in my mouth for a while.

I've said it before: "What Bambie's mom said".

No offense intended Rich.

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Posted by hadrian on Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:21 AM

WHISTLES for Moving, Bells for Stopping - - - - my point - - - - Growing up with the C&NWRR and the SOO Line, and the Milwaukee RR, the Burlington, and the B&O (all c.1952-1960) in the last days of REAL WHISTLES (aka, steam) the standard followed by those Chicago area roads were: Whistles to announce BEGINNING of motion, and warning of approaching Continuance of Motion (crossings, passing through stations, etc) BELLS were sounded when slowing to a STOP, be it in stations, or to track ends, or to switch yard locations of doing a switch back.

About sounding whistles (or anything) when approaching a SNOW TUNNEL? Yikes, guys! Living in California now and studying the CPRR and SPRR history about snow shed mishaps and avalanches, that was something nearly forbidden, lest you start any vibration that starts an avalanche.

Thank you though for the read out sof the Eastern roads rulebooks.... I never cease to be surprised and amussed by the extreme differnces between the ways of the east vs midwest, vs the Left Coast western railroads.

AL

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:13 PM

tomikawaTT
Note that judges are seldom chosen for intelligence.  How about the one who ruled that both the DRGW and Santa Fe could build through the Royal Gorge...

I have actually wondered why the railroads didn't run a gauntlet track through the gorge, or do a joint trackage deal like they did from Denver to Pueblo.

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Posted by geomodelrailroader on Saturday, September 12, 2015 2:42 AM

AAR Rule 30 states "The bell must be on at all times when the train is entering a yard or stopping at a station and must remain on until the train has stopped or has passed a yard limit sign." 

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Posted by Burlington Northern #24 on Saturday, September 12, 2015 3:09 AM
Returned from the dead, is this thread. Third time's a charm I suppose.

SP&S modeler, 1960's give or take a decade or two for some equipment.

 http://www.youtube.com/user/SGTDUPREY?feature=guide 

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Posted by OT Dean on Sunday, September 13, 2015 2:44 AM
I have several videos of real "steam trains" of the '30s through the '60s--plus I watched online videos of the Disney steam locos in operation--and my understanding from my rugrat/yard ape years growing up next to the MILW main line: "Toot-toot+bell=loco's starting to move forward!" and "Toot-toot-toot+bell=watch out, I'm gonna back up now!" It's easier in diesels or steam locos with automatic bell ringers, but that was what I hear and see and what I heard and saw 'way back when. I don't know about tunnels and station platforms because I wasn't around them, but if the guys say the rules called for bell-ringing then, it must be so. And yes, the bell only rang around people and was shut off at some point. That's my 2 cents' worth. Deano
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Posted by narrow gauge nuclear on Monday, September 14, 2015 1:03 AM

Ring your bell when it seems logical.  I run a small narrow gauge short line and never ring the bell while in normal running.

Approaching a yard or station, slow switching in congested areas or around civilian areas, I tend to leave the bell on.

Needless to say no bell when the engine is stopped for a period.

For the me, the bell is for slow and possibly dangerous operational conditions around humans afoot.

 

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Posted by csmith9474 on Monday, September 14, 2015 5:12 PM
Might as well chime in on this one. I really do appreciate it when the bell is sounded by engineers when we are working trackside.
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Posted by JTFENG on Thursday, September 24, 2015 8:46 PM
BLE member now. BMWED YEARS ago. I am proud of both crafts. I always make a lot of noise when I see you guys. Even if it's a signal maintainer truck on the wayside gets a "shave and a haircut" and a bell...
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Posted by Milne on Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:47 PM

Most trains in Canada fall under CROR (Canadian Rail Operating Rules)

Section 13 deals with bell usage, and section 14 deals with whistle -

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/railsafety/rules-tco167-163.htm

There were regional or subdivision practices not included in these rules.  For example, some CP Passenger trains would blow the horn about a mile before a flag stop.   

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by joe323 on Friday, November 18, 2016 6:26 AM

The SIW sounds the bell when backing into or leaving a siding.  The horn is also sounded twice when starting up and I use the grade crossing sequence.  

May not be prototypical but since the rules vary so much I made up my own.

My locos are not sound equipped because my ISL is small so I use the MRC Symphony 77 that my wife bought me a few years back.

 

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Posted by BRAKIE on Friday, November 18, 2016 8:33 AM

geomodelrailroader

AAR Rule 30 states "The bell must be on at all times when the train is entering a yard or stopping at a station and must remain on until the train has stopped or has passed a yard limit sign." 

 

Then along comes the railroad that modifies  that rule with the operating rules because of noise pollution-its a good neighbor thing that keeps the NIMBYs happy and the engineer retains his hearing.Make no mistake that bloody bell is loud in the cab.

No engineer wants to listen to a bell ring for hours while switching nor does the switch crew or other employees.

Nor is there is any reason to sound your horn during routine switching as per the FRA and AAR rules allows that. Can you imagine all the racket when there is several yard crews  switching-the NIMBYs will file  suit.

Ever notice how railroads is moving horns from the cab roof to the hood roof? That's to save the engineer and conductor's hearing? This was mandated by the FRA.

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Posted by gmpullman on Friday, November 18, 2016 8:48 PM

What's better than a decade-old thread? 

A nine-decade old print...

I was not aware of a "Ring Sign" until I came across this drawing. Must have been important enough for the PRR to use them... I've never seen one in a photo.

See you again in nine years or so,

Regards, Ed

 

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