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Somewhere in time on the New York Central

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SBX
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Posted by SBX on Friday, December 2, 2022 7:15 AM

I am in the Uk and come from south London where all I saw were Southern Electrics. Hence, I do US outline as most British railways are a mystery to me.

Long Haired David
A.K.A. David Pennington
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Posted by Autonerd on Friday, December 2, 2022 11:14 PM

 


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Matt, I'm pretty sure that photo is in a book I have somewhere. I literally just saw it a couple of days ago. Give me a few minutes and I'll check.

BTW, digging all the great NYC photos!

Aaron

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Posted by Autonerd on Friday, December 2, 2022 11:32 PM

Found it! Or at least a slightly cropped version of it (in B&W -- that one looks colorized). 

It's in "Ed Nowak's New York Central" by Ed Nowak with Karl Zimmerman. Colinwood, Ohio, July 10, 1952. (Ed Nowak was NYC's official company photographer.) The accompanying paragraph says:

"The panoramic view from the coaling tower at Collinwood Yard, near Cleveland, shows a power mixture indicating that the diesel era is well underway. The Pacific in the right foreground has been white-lined, and--most in the rigid back-to-back pairings that typefied the early years of dieselization--the hordes of invading F7s are numerically superior. The Fs wear the 'lightning stripes' and red oval paint scheme that had become the standard." (The rest of the para refers to an FT photo on the facing page.)

This is a soft-bound book of B&W photos that is pretty affordable -- a friend gave me his copy; he'd written in a note about himself in one of the photos (last day of operation on the Putnam division). When he died, I gave his copy to his daughter and bought my own, I think for $20 or less. Given what you said above, Matt, I think you'd enjoy the book.

There's also a three-volume set of Ed Nowak's color photos -- not sure if this photo is among them. It'd take a while to search! :)

At first I thought this photo was in another (mostly-color) book I have and love called "New York Central System Gone But Not Forgotten" by HF Cavanaugh. It wasn't, but again, Matt, given what you said, I think you'd find this book very enjoyable -- lots of great photos of steam and vintage diesels (including some of Nowak's work). I just looked on Amazon and there are used copies in the $12-to-$30 range.

Aaron

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Posted by crossthedog on Saturday, December 3, 2022 10:14 AM

Autonerd
This is a soft-bound book of B&W photos that is pretty affordable -- a friend gave me his copy; he'd written in a note about himself in one of the photos (last day of operation on the Putnam division). When he died, I gave his copy to his daughter and bought my own,

What a guy. That was a princely gesture. Thanks for the information about the book Aaron, I'll have a look. It hadn't occurred to me that this photo was colorized from B&W. I sort of like the hazy, summery feel of all that washed-out sienna color, but it would be stunning in grey tones too.

Pray, what means "white-lined"? I reckon it means decomissioned, or marked for some scrap-bound doom?

-Matt

Returning to model railroading after 40 years and taking unconscionable liberties with the SP&S, Northern Pacific and Great Northern roads in the '40s and '50s.

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Posted by Autonerd on Saturday, December 3, 2022 11:48 AM

Glad to help!

If you look, there's a white line painted through the engine's number. I don't know for sure, but I assume that means the loco has been taken off the roster, for sale or scrap.

Aaron

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Posted by gmpullman on Saturday, December 3, 2022 11:02 PM

MidlandMike
According to Middleton, the CUT 2-C+C-2 was the first of that wheel arrangement.  It was followed by the New Haven EP-3 in AC.

You're right. For some reason I was mistaken that the EP-3 predated the P-1a which were coming out of the works in August of 1929, EP-3s in 1931.

Here's a look under the hood of a P-1a:

 P-1a_General Apparatus by Edmund, on Flickr

Cheers, Ed

 

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