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Need Help Identifying This Type of Older Bulkhead Flat Pulp Car

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Need Help Identifying This Type of Older Bulkhead Flat Pulp Car
Posted by Engi1487 on Wednesday, November 4, 2020 7:04 PM

Where I live, the NBSR (New Brunswick Southern Railroad) is my favourite shortline.

In one community on a passing siding there is a older former Bangor and Aroostock 50 foot bulkhead pulp flatcar with extended poles on its sides to hold railway ties. It was build in May of 1958, and has been on this siding for a long time and is now numbered as NBS #1711.

There is no information on the real life railcar manufacturer, as the markings are weathered over. I am looking to find what specific type of bulkhead end flatcar its called, as I wish to find on in HO or N scale to model it. Here are some pictures of it. Its 51' feet in length and 44' wide space between each of the bulkheads.



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Posted by doctorwayne on Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:48 PM

A quick search brought up THIS.

In the second set of photos, a car similar to the one in your photos is shown, built by Magor in 1956.  However, the car is listed as being 45' in-length....perhaps that's the distance between the bulkhead ends.

The cars were originally v-deck pulpwood cars (for 4' pulpwood logs loaded crossways) but in 1977, the cars were re-built to handle 8' pulpwood logs, loaded longitudinally and held in place by side stakes.

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Posted by Engi1487 on Thursday, November 5, 2020 7:56 AM

Hey thanks Wayne I do appriciate it. I do realize I could have google searched it, but I did try that with trying to find it in the NBSRs rolling stock eqipment list. And because forums are staring to not be use as much, prehaps I was helping keep this forum going some how.

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Posted by cv_acr on Thursday, November 5, 2020 1:03 PM

There is no model of this exact car.

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Posted by Engi1487 on Thursday, November 5, 2020 1:42 PM

cv_acr

There is no model of this exact car.

 



Well, looks like I will have to kitbash and scratchbild it then.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Tuesday, November 10, 2020 3:34 PM

RRpicturearchives.net has a rolling stock and locomotive roster.  Your car isn't listed.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsList.aspx?id=NBSR

Check the list of roster links on the upper right.

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Posted by cv_acr on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 8:19 AM

mbinsewi

RRpicturearchives.net has a rolling stock and locomotive roster.  Your car isn't listed. 

And?

That just means no one has submitted a photo of it to this site. But he has a photo of it so it obviously exists.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 2:13 PM

cv_acr
And? That just means no one has submitted a photo of it to this site. But he has a photo of it so it obviously exists.

Exactly what I meant.  NOT saying it doesn't exist Chris.

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Posted by Engi1487 on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 6:49 PM

cv_acr

 

 
mbinsewi

RRpicturearchives.net has a rolling stock and locomotive roster.  Your car isn't listed. 

 

 

And?

That just means no one has submitted a photo of it to this site. But he has a photo of it so it obviously exists.

 



I got these pictures from a Facebook group. Problem is there is not info on the builder or specific name type of this bulk end flatcar.

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Posted by Engi1487 on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 6:52 PM

mbinsewi


It does, I got these pics from my provinces railfan group to show, and there are if you look up "Harvey," in the "RailsNB, facebook group. There is no info on the freight cars builder, or specific type of the type of bulkhead flatcar.

 

 
cv_acr
And? That just means no one has submitted a photo of it to this site. But he has a photo of it so it obviously exists.

 

Exactly what I meant.  NOT saying it doesn't exist Chris.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 7:28 PM

Engi1487
I got these pictures from a Facebook group. Problem is there is not info on the builder or specific name type of this bulk end flatcar.

My initial reply notes the builder, and the link which I provided also shows a photo of one of the cars.  Looks to me to be a very simple scratchbuild.

The link also included info that the cars were originally built for hauling 4' pulpwood logs (a vee-type deck, indicating that the logs were loaded transversely), but were later modified to carry 8' pulpwood logs loaded longitudinally, and held in place with welded side stakes. 

Thought you woulda had at least a couple built by now...

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Posted by Engi1487 on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 7:43 PM

doctorwayne

Thought you woulda had at least a couple built by now...

Wayne

 



Hey Wayne, being that I am a beginner not having much experiance scratchbuilding, not having a big enough modeling space, being overwhelmed with how Im going to accomish my goals in the hobby, and am preoccuiped with working on other areas of my life such as my employment situation, it will be a while before I can make any of these.

What makes you think I should have had a couple of them by now being a basic beginner? Thanks for your link, it will help me.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 8:09 PM

It looks to me like it is loaded with old railroad ties. Could it be in Maintenance Of Way service?

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Posted by Engi1487 on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 8:17 PM

SeeYou190

It looks to me like it is loaded with old railroad ties. Could it be in Maintenance Of Way service?

-Kevin

 

Hi Kevin. Currently it is used for M.O.W. storage and just sits there. No one has reported it being moved for a while and it probably hasnt for a while.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 11:25 PM

Engi1487
What makes you think I should have had a couple of them by now being a basic beginner? Thanks for your link, it will help me.

We're all basic beginners when we start out, but will remain so until we do something.  I found that I enjoyed doing something, and continue to work at improving my output.

I figured that if you were interested in them, you'd want to build a few.  Pretty-well any 50' flatcar would be a good starting point, and would put you at the more-than-half-done point.  All you need to do is get some sheet styrene (Evergreen) and make the bulkhead ends.  Brake gear (the part of it on the B-end of the car) is available from Tichy, as is wire for the grabirons, and there are lots of companies selling ladders if you don't wish to make your own.

This was originally a 40' pulpwood flat, from Athearn, but since I'm not modelling the paper industry, I cut it in two and added a 10' piece to the deck, making it a 50'-er, along with some scratchbuilt sides to convert it into a gondola...

...it was done just to put the pulpwood car to better use, but turned out well-enough that I picked up a couple more pulpwood cars, cheap, off the "used" table at my LHS, converting them in the same manner.

This is an Athearn 50' flatcar, (one of two) with bulkhead ends from a Walthers 53'6" flatcar.  The Walthers kits  (3750 Series) came with rub rails and other details for making a TOFC car, and with bulkhead ends, in case you didn't want just an ordinary flat car...

I built the Walthers flatcars as plain flatcars...

...and spent more time making the loads...

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Posted by mbinsewi on Thursday, November 12, 2020 8:38 AM

doctorwayne
My initial reply notes the builder, and the link which I provided also shows a photo of one of the cars.  Looks to me to be a very simple scratchbuild.

I think Wayne's initial post and link are right on.  There is info out there on the Magor Car Corp.

https://www.midcontinent.org/rollingstock/builders/magor.htm

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Posted by Engi1487 on Friday, November 13, 2020 11:22 AM

doctorwayne

 

 
Engi1487
What makes you think I should have had a couple of them by now being a basic beginner? Thanks for your link, it will help me.

 

We're all basic beginners when we start out, but will remain so until we do something.  I found that I enjoyed doing something, and continue to work at improving my output.

I figured that if you were interested in them, you'd want to build a few.  Pretty-well any 50' flatcar would be a good starting point, and would put you at the more-than-half-done point.

Wayne

 



Hey Wayne, sorry about over reacting. I am interested in doing some of them, and will once I get around to it, as I am doing something to get around to it. Thanks for your into and pictures, as they will be a big help to me.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Friday, November 13, 2020 12:12 PM

Engi1487
...sorry about over reacting...

Don't worry, I didn't take it that way. I know that it's hard to do stuff that you've never done, but I was just trying to give you a little push - sometimes we can surprise ourselves with formerly unrealised skills.

Wayne

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