I have in my roster three RS-2s that should have steam generators as original equipment. One pair of Kato New York Central, 8213 and 8219 and a Proto 1000 Erie-Lackawanna 911. I recently selected these old beauties for a decoder/headlight upgrade and lube job and decided I should add the necessary steam generator detail.
Through digging and from some of my operator manuals I found that there may have been three models of steam generators installed in these engines, two different Vapor-Clarkson models (OK or DRK) or an Elesco model.
Of course, overhead shots are extremely rare and it would seem even more so with the RS-2! I found a Brass Trains photo of a New Haven RS-2 that the generator was removed from but I can see where the roof was patched and the square air-inlet box is still there.
It seems (nearly?) all the RS-2s used the angled stack with the "streamlined" sheet metal shroud against the rear cab wall. I know these are available but I think they would be a cinch to model out of brass or, maybe styrene. I'm just looking for the correct placement of the intake vent, slightly off-center, and I don't see any outlet pipe for the relief valve. On some engines it looks like there was a one-piece "fairing" wrapped around the stack and on others it looks like there is actually a round, angled pipe and two filler pieces of sheet metal connecting it to the cab wall.
Anyone who may have a lead on a drawing or overhead shot? It would be greatly appreciated.
I have stacks of NYC and Erie/EL books and dozens of NYC Headlights but paging through every one only offers a glimpse of the stack.
It seems things changed with the RS-3 with Alco going with a stovepipe, like Mr. Lincoln's hat, mounted more toward the end of the hood and slightly off-center.
Thanks to all concerned,
Ed
ED,
Not an overhead shot, but the best I could do as a 14 year old circa 1970 of a genny-equipped (or at least a stack still present at this point) Monon RS-2.
Mike Lehman
Urbana, IL
Hi, Mike
That shot shows a variation that I had not seen before on an RS-2. In most cases the stack I have seen is angled about 10-15° back toward the cab and is pretty much level with the cab roof. Now, in some cases steam generators were added later (Erie-Lackawanna) on some engines, and of course, many were removed as passenger usage declined.
I can just make out the air intake just above the number board. The sand fill is right above the headlight. Monon may have added the stack extension.
This is about as good a view that I have found, again-same angle as yours. I guess photographers were afraid of heights back then?
Thanks again, Mike! Just one more variation I wasn't aware of.
[edit] Well! You got me looking at Monon pics and here's what I found!
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/monon/mon054gea.jpg
at least it is a good view of the air intake placement!
[edit II] Then I found this!
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/alco/ALCo-RS3.gif
Now, I'm making progress.
Nice Monon shot and yes, more helpful from that angle for what you need.
I vaguely recall that the RS-2 lost their SGs, then had it replaced in some cases. Passenger service ended in 1967, sadly before we moved back to Indiana (I know because I asked mom to drop me by the station at McDoel Yard to check.) Not sure there was much reason to keep them operational by the time this shot was taken.
In my case, I was being discrete in terms of my behavior around the RR and quarry where the pic was taken on the Maple Hill stone branch south of Bloomington, IN. We lived across the road from the mill. The Monon sent an RS-2 nearly every day to shuffle the quarry-to-mill flats and gons around and pull any outbound loads. There were some piles of discard stone I could have climbed on for a better shot, but caution led me to stay on the ground and out of the way.
Wished I had a better camera than a cheap Polaroid and a lot more film.
EDIT: IIRC, the Monon RS-2 fleet did include some with the angled fairing. Maybe the one in my pic just has the fairing missing, leaving the stack?
This site shows various types of S/G stacks as applied to D&H RS2s over the years.http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm/photographs/diesel/photographs_rs-2.htmhttp://www.trainweb.org/dhvm/images/dhrr_diesel/ALCO_RS-2/UNKNOWN/4025-1.jpgD&H RS2s had battery boxes moved to rear running boards for larger tank underneath.Here is CP 8404 w/ stovepipe S/G Stack w/hinged lid.http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_diesel/8404e.jpghttp://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_diesel/8404_rear.jpgFitted with OK 4630 Type.FWIW CP 8400-04 Alco GE did NOT have MU.The stack shown here is for an electric/Diesel-fueled Watchman Heater which circulated coolant to keep Diesel warm when shut down at remote locations.http://www.canadianrailwayobservations.com/2011/April11/Apr11%20Web/cp8400davesweetland.jpgThank You.
Thank you, NDG. All photos are helpful!
Regards, Ed
You are welcome!A quick search on the Internet turns up several more.http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/dos100.jpghttps://swrails.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/atsf-2099_web.jpghttp://pre04.deviantart.net/7f70/th/pre/i/2007/292/2/d/monon_rs2_by_classictrains.jpg
Ex D&H. We Paced this thing all day, light years ago, it was allowed only 5 MPH on it's run account track.Some of the foamers in the entourage were drooling over the box car first out.http://gino.cdfw.net/_railpage/DOS/CACV100GREY.jpgMemory is fuzzy, but there might have been an ex Army 0-6-0 here somewhere?? and the Sharks were around too, if I recall. Could be wrong?The 244 had it's own voice at idle, same with an older Turbo 539.Back in the day, if a town did not have a 539 chirping by the Station at the end of of Main Street, there was something wrong.... Could be heard all over town, after supper. An audible reason to look around some more. There was life, and hope, as First Gen disappeared.Back in the day.And so on.Good luck w/your project.Thank You.
Here are some posts on the NHRHTA forum about RS2 steam generators.
http://thenhrhtanewhavenrailroadforum.yuku.com/reply/57280/RS2-Steam-Generator-Stack#reply-57280
Ron High
Thank You, Ron!
The photo of the 553 is the best one I've seen so far. Now, I have enough information to get by with a pretty convincing installation on the three units I plan to add the details to.
Thanks again!