In the photo album book by Duane Karam Jr. are several tenders that are a boxy looking style, e.g. Loco 1701 on page 17. They resemble the tender in this photo of a 4-6-0: http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/SP2382.JPG
What is this type tender called? Are the basic dimensions published? How about photos at different angles so that one can figure out details of the top, back and sides?
Thanks, Colin Ferguson
That's an oil bunker.
Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com
Per SP classification this would a R-retangular design/90, nine thousand gallon water capacity, thus the R-90 class of which there were 7 subclasses, orginal tender for the M1 Brooks built class moguls and the prototype for additonal company built examples. The subclasses resulted from continued improvements in oil/water capacity and to denote periodic system standard upgrades. SP was fanatical when it came to tender swapping, if modeling a speciifc prototype for a particular period, photos are a must, never assume when modeling SP steam!!!! I'm not aware of line drawings or tender data cards for the R class tenders, although this seems not to be the case with other classes which seem well recorded.
Dave
Hi Dave,
I visited my local library looking for photos but no luck. I searched the net for R-90 and came up with zilch for the prototype. I did find three different looking model tenders:
Thanks, Colin
Colin
In my opinion the best option is a USRA short tender, demensions appear close, you do need to cut down the coal bunker and detail as per your'e prototype.
Here's what you found:
Example one was constructed by the Los Angeles General Shops for use with the SE class 0-8-0 heavy switchers, i'm aware of two oil bunker variations and one that was painted royal blue for duties at LAUPT!
Example two, duel fuel use, not required after 1939, side sheets removed upon installation of oil bunker.
Example three, this one's a lone wolf and was assigned to the Roseville trimmer, in this case Sacramento did the conversion to increase oil/water capacity and assigned orginally to a demoted Mikado.
ColinUSA In the photo album book by Duane Karam Jr. are several tenders that are a boxy looking style, e.g. Loco 1701 on page 17. They resemble the tender in this photo of a 4-6-0: http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/SP2382.JPG What is this type tender called? Are the basic dimensions published? How about photos at different angles so that one can figure out details of the top, back and sides? Thanks, Colin Ferguson
Are you talking about the IHC Mogul? That was a model of an SP M-4. PEMCO was the original manufacturer of that engine and when they did it, they powered the tender and made the tender oversized. Basically the tender on the IHC M-4 is a 52R-1 (5200 gallons) that's been shot with steroids ad then been stretched on the rack because IHC didn't correct the tender when they put the mechanism in the engine.
A more correct (and fairly readily available) tender would be the 7000 gallon Vanderbilt tender made by Model Die Casting/Roundhouse (now part of Athearn) or you could a section out of the tender in the center and shorten it up to more closely resemble the original 52R.
Here's a pic of E-23 4-4-0 #1505 with a 52R-1 tender. The E-23's and M-4's used the same boiler and were built contemporaneously withe each other. http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/SP1505.JPG
As noted elsewhere, SP had a tendency to play "musical tenders" with its engines, so you could have pics of the same engine taken 6 months apart where the tenders are completely different.
Andre
Hi Andre,
Yes, I am looking to make a tender for an IHC mogul. The tenders in Karam's book look like the picture you referred to but with the parapet removed, i.e. no lip or side sheets at the top of the lower tank. I have sectioned out an IHC tender following the article in the 2008 August issue of Model Railroader. Now I am looking for photos of the front and back of such a tender.
I am familiar with the Roundhouse Short Vanderbilt tender kit #403 which I estimate to be a 5000 gallon tender. That kit has a metal die cast chassis which I think renders it too heavy for the weak pulling IHC Mogul. I have married an IHC Mogul to a Bachmann Short Vanderbilt tender and managed to fit in an MRC #1617 sound decoder.
Wow! I am surprised to learn example two is a dual fuel tender, how does that work? Does a crane lift out the oil tank when they want to run coal?
Cheers, Colin
SP had several classes of tenders that could accomidate duel fuel, Insert the oil bunker into the vacated coal space with a overhead crane , remove stoker/screw-cab controls (if so equipped) Fue//heater lines are routed and plumbed and a burner installed in the firebox. Conversions could be accomplished in under 8 hours. Delivery of the AC nines rendered such conversion obsolete.
andrechapelon Here's a pic of E-23 4-4-0 #1505 with a 52R-1 tender. The E-23's and M-4's used the same boiler and were built contemporaneously withe each other. http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/SP1505.JPG
Do you know what kind of trucks are on that tender?
ColinUSADo you know what kind of trucks are on that tender?
Looks like they're regular archbar trucks with leaf springs, sorta like these:
Wayne
Hi Wayne,
Yes, those look about right. I see that Kadee makes a set but they are of the two piece self centering design which I think will make it a bit more difficult to add axle or wheel wipers. I can also find metal trucks but I have no idea how one would add wipers to these. I'll probably go with Kadee and glue or screw the two pieces together.
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