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[N Scale Train Boy]

Im trying to custom paint an n scale boxcar into a NH "New Era" scheme. Are there any specific colors I should try to use for this project? Thanks!

 

[AntonioFP45]

Update,

There was a Fratesci HO EP4 on Ebay not too long ago, brand new. I should have paid more attention to the closing time. The fortunate winner got it for less than $100!

Hopefully more of these units will show up on ebay.

[AntonioFP45]

Way to go on working with John Lee! Glad to know that a New Haven fan supplied the prototype color samples. John is a very down to earth modeler. I hope he returns to the H&R Train show again this coming fall.

I appreciate the heads up on the Pullman Green. My electric units will be in the McGinnis scheme while I hope to have one Alco diesel hood unit in the black and white "striper".

Cheers!

[NHRRJET]

I worked with John Lee several years ago supplying him with the actual NYNH&H paint chips for the Accu-flex NH colors. I saw him in W. Springfield about 3 years ago. Be aware Antonio, that no one yet makes the correct NH #13 Pullman Green used on electrics and some diesels.

[AntonioFP45]

My slip-up! It is Accu-paint.

I was able to get the info. In the ModelFlex paint line from Badger the New Haven Red Orange code is 16-182. I've switched over to acrylics as my wife was complaining about the smell of Floquil and some of the other solvent based finishes, even if I painted outside.

I didn't like waterbased paints in the past as I felt they weren't durable. However, at the annual H&R train show this past spring, John Lee of Badger put on an impressive airbrushing demonstration using ModelFlex paints. Fast drying, super smooth flow out, and virtually NO SMELL. In the Badger Airbrush chart book there is a picture of John's award- winning HO Burlington Northern EMD switcher. I decided to give water based paints another try. While there is a small learning curve, I've been very satisfied. Currently I'm using ModelFlex, Polly Scale and Model Master Acryl.

It's not my intention to "bad talk" the solvent based finishes. I still have Scale Coat paint that I will use for the Alclad Metalizing system. My main motivation for the acrylics is the low toxicity levels, though I still use and recommend a respirator.

[NHRRJET]

That's ACCUPAINT, not ACCUFLEX! If you check the Walthers website for Accupaint they show all the colors with stock numbers. I've been painting with Accupaint since the 1970's and think its great!

[AntonioFP45]

Thanks guy!

I'm not familiar with Accuflex. I've used Floquil and Testors for years and have recently switched over to Acrylics (Polly Scale, Model Flex, and Model Master Acryl)
I'll check with my LHS rep to see if he stocks this paint, or if this number can be crossed referenced to one of the above mentioned brands.

Thanks again! [C):-)][tup]

[NHRRJET]

Antonio:

Accupaint makes an excellent NH serial 409 red/orange and the "Socony Red" which is actually NH serial #428. Micro-scale makes a great set of NYNH&H passenger car decals.
Do you have the NHRHTA Color Chip Book? Its an excellent source for true NYNH&H colors.

[AntonioFP45]

NHRRJET,

Thanks again! [8D]

Glad you mentioned this. You're correct! I forgot to take into account that the picture in the Don Ball book of the NH train is during the Penn Central era (The EP5 shown is black!).
I'll definetly repaint the window panel to the red-orange color with an aibrush.

BTW: Is there a formula available for an accurate NH red-orange color or is it already available by model paint manufacturers?

Appreciate the info on the seat colors. I'll be putting the sable paint brushes to work.

Cheers in Run-8! [4:-)][tup][C):-)][tup]

[NHRRJET]

The green stripe on the NH 8600 series coaches is not left over from the NH. ALL the stainless steel cars in this series, coaches,parlors,diners and grill cars rec'd the red/orange window panel. PC painted the green on the window panels. The seats were a dark, royal blue velour type of material.

[AntonioFP45]

I now have 4 of the NH "8600 series commuter cars (from E&B Valley). After assembling, I will install IHC coach interiors in them as well as lighting. I'll have to look at the movie "The Out of Towners" (Jack Lemon) to see what color the seats were in the coaches as I always paint my interiors.

From what I remember, the interior walls and ceiling should be yellow-tan or cream, but I don't remember what color the seats were! [:)][:D][8D][8)]

Guys, thanks again for your help!

[NHRRJET]

Thanks!
I'm really glad you and the others enjoyed the "11000volt" clinic. I truly enjoyed presenting it,and was equally as thrilled with the calibre of questions asked.

[Anonymous]

Rick-
I was at the prototype modeler's meet and enjoyed your slide show/lecture a lot. The magazine article looked great, but I'm sure it'll be better still in color!! Keep up the good work!

[NHRRJET]

Gentlemen of this forum:

I wi***o clear something up on an earlier posting. I had indicated that none of the EP-4s ever received McGinnis colors, this is true. Somehow, another quote was included in mine indicating that I planned on painting an EP-4 in McGinnis colors. . . .NOT TRUE! I think this quote was accidentally added to mine. Just want to set the record straight.

[NHRRJET]

Gentlemen:

Thank you for your kind compliments regarding my NH layout and catenary. I'm sure you will enjoy the upcoming article on my layout in the August MR. After you see it, should you have any questions, please feel free to ask. My feeling is that this knowledge should be shared with others.
I am very proud of the fact that the staff of MR thought my work was worthy of their magazine. I truly hope that all of you feel the same.
I am also very proud to be a former NYNH&H employee; the New Haven is dead, long live THE NEW YORK, NEW HAVEN AND HARTFORD RAILROAD COMPANY!!

[Anonymous]

Believe it or not, I model the present! I have a couple E33's, a RDC, and an alco, but the bulk is Amtrak and Metro North!

Don at Model Memories has expressed interest in having some of my photos on his site, so look for them in the future.

Newhavenguy- I already belong to that forum, and it's great to have modelers as well as old timers who can tell you just about anything, as well as teach you some new four letter words regarding the Penn Central!

[newhavenguy]

Ya know, all the locos on the NEC were on a deferred maintenance program. If something major broke, they didn't fix it. It went to the dead lines. We still might have GG1's and EP-5 electric running if they were on a rebuilding progrm. Put a few parts into them and they could run forever. Look at the FL9's.They were built in 1956/57 and they were used through today. I think there might be a few left on the NEC.

[AntonioFP45]

NewHavenGuy,

Thanks again! After the birth of Amtrak passenger trains looked like "rainbows" for several years. It would stand to reason that locomotives were put where needed. I have a picture in a Don Ball book of two Penn Central RS3s pulling an Amtrak train in the northeast corridor during the early 70s when its GG1 conked out.

10-4!

[newhavenguy]

QUOTE: Originally posted by adrianiu

Anybody model the NH under wire? I just added a 5' mainline diaroma to my layout with Model Memories' catenary bridges and wire.

Also, check out next month's MR, I got a sneak peak from Rick Abramson at a lecture, and you don't want to miss this one, NH fans!

Yeah. Rick does some fine "under wire" modeling. Also if you haven't already gone there, come joins us at the New Haven Technical and Historical Assoc. website: www.nhrhta.org. There is a forum there to ask questions and get accurate answers. Be aware that there are 2 distinct groups on the forum. Modelers and Historians. Both of which can pass on some pretty interesting information on the NH.

BTW the NH ceased to exsist on Dec 31,1968 when it was absorbed into the PC. The exNH EP-5 were re assigned to commuter service and the FL9's to the Harlem River branches of the exNYC. Some units did go through to Washington while under PC but it was rare. When Amtrak took over in May of 1971 anything could go anywhere. NH GP9's were used on passenger trains into Washington too. These has steam generators. HEP equipment was just gaining acceptance so there wasn't much of that yet until Amfleet cars and F40's/SDP40F's.

[Anonymous]

Anybody model the NH under wire? I just added a 5' mainline diaroma to my layout with Model Memories' catenary bridges and wire.

Also, check out next month's MR, I got a sneak peak from Rick Abramson at a lecture, and you don't want to miss this one, NH fans!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45

Had a pleasant surprise surfing New Haven related sites. An old color picture of a New Haven Alco DL109 in McGinnis colors! I had always thought that these units remained in the green colors until they were retired.

Sad that none of these units survived.

JoeCool,

Sounds like you're referring to the present modern equipment thats been "painted" in the New Haven scheme. This was done by a state agency, not sure which one. It is really neat the New Haven "lives on".

The actual New Haven Railroad was absorbed into the Penn Central on or just before 1970, which in the mid-70s became Conrail.

Actually these units were painted in several differant paint schemes. Green with yellow pin stripes was one, layer cake was another, black with white or silver pin stripes, and McGinnis. There may be 1 or 2 more, would have to check my book. Oh ya, Cranberry with white pin stripes. Actually I think the Cranberry was really a color called China Red.

[AntonioFP45]

Had a pleasant surprise surfing New Haven related sites. An old color picture of a New Haven Alco DL109 in McGinnis colors! I had always thought that these units remained in the green colors until they were retired.

Sad that none of these units survived.

JoeCool,

Sounds like you're referring to the present modern equipment thats been "painted" in the New Haven scheme. This was done by a state agency, not sure which one. It is really neat the New Haven "lives on".

The actual New Haven Railroad was absorbed into the Penn Central on or just before 1970, which in the mid-70s became Conrail.

[joecool1212]

Thanks newhavenguy, They are some of the coolest passenger trains running. I get tired of only seeing Amtrak and Metro North's same old stuff. Joe

[newhavenguy]

There is also Miami Trains. That's where I ordered mine. www.miamitrains.com A gal named Marta will get a in touch with you. The lady is putting together an order for several Frateshi models. Send her a note. We could all save on shipping if we put our orders together. I'm not affiliated with them at all. Just sounded like a good deal to me.

[AntonioFP45]

Update on EP4

Found the e-mail address and zipped them a note. [:D]

Got an answer a day later! Good news! There is a U.S distributor for this locomotive. [C):-)][tup]

Contact info:
Alan Morean
19 Cedar Avenue
St. Marys, PA 15857 Telephone: (814) - 781 - 6671

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Looking forward to getting one of these units later this year! [dinner][(-D]

[newhavenguy]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45

Thank you New Haven Guy,

Re: the cab doors.

Sounds like a matter of removing the current door details and filling in the area with resin or putty, then obtaining similar styled doors from a parts company like Details West, carefully cutting open new doorways and installing. Being a double ender I guess that's 4 doors. That is a challenge but I think I could "go for it". [/qoute]

Yes, I think I will be doing the same thing. Or I might have to scratch build them.

QUOTE: By the way do you know of any websites where there is a picture of the prototype EP4? To my surprise there are none on the www.railpictures.net website.

yes try www.nerail.org Click on "Browse by Railroad" then New Haven

As for body mounting the couplers on the commuter cars, I'd go for this as long as they would be able to negotiate "22 radius.

Thanks again!

YOUR WELCOME! Glad I can help.

Bill **Go New Haven**

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