"I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!"
QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 I'm a fan of the big EP5 jet locomotives. While not as large GG1s, they could haul long trains at high speeds. I plan on getting one from Branford Hobbies. Getting an EP4 from "Fratesci". Yes, it looks a little cheesy, but decent. From the looks on the website, nothing that an alcohol bath and some "Details West" items can't handle! Also liked the unique looking "American Flyer" cars, particularly the streamlined coaches. I've been very fortunate that one of the gentlemen that works at my LHS has a set of E&B Valley (I think it became Funaro, later) car kits in New Haven, already metalized. Boxes look old, but the kits inside are still brand new! He's selling them to me at the price he bought them for originally: $12 each! A sweet bargain. Only frustrating part for me is that the kits must be glued together, carefully. (I'm still playing catch up on upgrading locomotives!). Five cars is my goal to make a decent looking commuter train as I remember them around 1969. I plan on installing the IHC/Rivarossi interiors along with lighting kits. I hope to have a set of five commuter cars,
QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 NHRRJET stated that prototype EP4s remained in the green paint scheme and didn't make it into the McGinnis paint scheme, but I'm seriously considering "dodging the rivit counters" and freelancing one anyway. As a kid, the McGinnis scheme is all I saw on NH commuter trains (EP5 or FL9).[8D]
QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Thank you New Haven guy! [:D][8D] I'm saving your info. Quick questions: You say you're putting a BLI sound unit? By that , are you getting a GGI and using the chassis? I don't think BLI sells sound units individually (unfortunately)
QUOTE: I went to the Fratesci site. Though I speak Spanish and read it (slowly) I did not see a price in American dollars. How much is it? Would an LHS be able to obtain an EP4 or is this something that must be mail ordered?
QUOTE: NHRRJET stated that prototype EP4s remained in the green paint scheme and didn't make it into the McGinnis paint scheme, but I'm seriously considering "dodging the rivit counters" and freelancing one anyway. As a kid, the McGinnis scheme is all I saw on NH commuter trains (EP5 or FL9).[8D]
QUOTE: I'll take a look as too how challenging relocating the doors would be. I'm not as "extreme" as I used to be and can live with small discrepancies "here and there" as long as the overall appearance captures the "flavor" of the prototype.
QUOTE: Thanks, guy!
QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Thank you New Haven Guy, Re: the cab doors. Sounds like a matter of removing the current door details and filling in the area with resin or putty, then obtaining similar styled doors from a parts company like Details West, carefully cutting open new doorways and installing. Being a double ender I guess that's 4 doors. That is a challenge but I think I could "go for it". [/qoute] Yes, I think I will be doing the same thing. Or I might have to scratch build them. QUOTE: By the way do you know of any websites where there is a picture of the prototype EP4? To my surprise there are none on the www.railpictures.net website. yes try www.nerail.org Click on "Browse by Railroad" then New Haven As for body mounting the couplers on the commuter cars, I'd go for this as long as they would be able to negotiate "22 radius. Thanks again! YOUR WELCOME! Glad I can help. Bill **Go New Haven** Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 7:19 PM Update on EP4 Found the e-mail address and zipped them a note. [:D] Got an answer a day later! Good news! There is a U.S distributor for this locomotive. [C):-)][tup] Contact info: Alan Morean 19 Cedar Avenue St. Marys, PA 15857 Telephone: (814) - 781 - 6671 newworldtrains@alltel.net Looking forward to getting one of these units later this year! [dinner][(-D] "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply newhavenguy Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 90 posts Posted by newhavenguy on Thursday, June 10, 2004 8:20 AM There is also Miami Trains. That's where I ordered mine. www.miamitrains.com A gal named Marta will get a in touch with you. The lady is putting together an order for several Frateshi models. Send her a note. We could all save on shipping if we put our orders together. I'm not affiliated with them at all. Just sounded like a good deal to me. Bill **Go New Haven** Reply joecool1212 Member sinceMay 2002 From: New Jersey 318 posts Posted by joecool1212 on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:30 PM Thanks newhavenguy, They are some of the coolest passenger trains running. I get tired of only seeing Amtrak and Metro North's same old stuff. Joe Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 6:29 AM Had a pleasant surprise surfing New Haven related sites. An old color picture of a New Haven Alco DL109 in McGinnis colors! I had always thought that these units remained in the green colors until they were retired. Sad that none of these units survived. JoeCool, Sounds like you're referring to the present modern equipment thats been "painted" in the New Haven scheme. This was done by a state agency, not sure which one. It is really neat the New Haven "lives on". The actual New Haven Railroad was absorbed into the Penn Central on or just before 1970, which in the mid-70s became Conrail. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 19, 2004 9:35 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Had a pleasant surprise surfing New Haven related sites. An old color picture of a New Haven Alco DL109 in McGinnis colors! I had always thought that these units remained in the green colors until they were retired. Sad that none of these units survived. JoeCool, Sounds like you're referring to the present modern equipment thats been "painted" in the New Haven scheme. This was done by a state agency, not sure which one. It is really neat the New Haven "lives on". The actual New Haven Railroad was absorbed into the Penn Central on or just before 1970, which in the mid-70s became Conrail. Actually these units were painted in several differant paint schemes. Green with yellow pin stripes was one, layer cake was another, black with white or silver pin stripes, and McGinnis. There may be 1 or 2 more, would have to check my book. Oh ya, Cranberry with white pin stripes. Actually I think the Cranberry was really a color called China Red. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Changing the subject.... Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 20, 2004 5:11 PM Anybody model the NH under wire? I just added a 5' mainline diaroma to my layout with Model Memories' catenary bridges and wire. Also, check out next month's MR, I got a sneak peak from Rick Abramson at a lecture, and you don't want to miss this one, NH fans! Reply Edit newhavenguy Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 90 posts Posted by newhavenguy on Sunday, June 20, 2004 10:02 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by adrianiu Anybody model the NH under wire? I just added a 5' mainline diaroma to my layout with Model Memories' catenary bridges and wire. Also, check out next month's MR, I got a sneak peak from Rick Abramson at a lecture, and you don't want to miss this one, NH fans! Yeah. Rick does some fine "under wire" modeling. Also if you haven't already gone there, come joins us at the New Haven Technical and Historical Assoc. website: www.nhrhta.org. There is a forum there to ask questions and get accurate answers. Be aware that there are 2 distinct groups on the forum. Modelers and Historians. Both of which can pass on some pretty interesting information on the NH. BTW the NH ceased to exsist on Dec 31,1968 when it was absorbed into the PC. The exNH EP-5 were re assigned to commuter service and the FL9's to the Harlem River branches of the exNYC. Some units did go through to Washington while under PC but it was rare. When Amtrak took over in May of 1971 anything could go anywhere. NH GP9's were used on passenger trains into Washington too. These has steam generators. HEP equipment was just gaining acceptance so there wasn't much of that yet until Amfleet cars and F40's/SDP40F's. Bill **Go New Haven** Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Monday, June 21, 2004 1:10 AM NewHavenGuy, Thanks again! After the birth of Amtrak passenger trains looked like "rainbows" for several years. It would stand to reason that locomotives were put where needed. I have a picture in a Don Ball book of two Penn Central RS3s pulling an Amtrak train in the northeast corridor during the early 70s when its GG1 conked out. 10-4! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply newhavenguy Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 90 posts Posted by newhavenguy on Monday, June 21, 2004 1:40 AM Ya know, all the locos on the NEC were on a deferred maintenance program. If something major broke, they didn't fix it. It went to the dead lines. We still might have GG1's and EP-5 electric running if they were on a rebuilding progrm. Put a few parts into them and they could run forever. Look at the FL9's.They were built in 1956/57 and they were used through today. I think there might be a few left on the NEC. Bill **Go New Haven** Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:37 AM Believe it or not, I model the present! I have a couple E33's, a RDC, and an alco, but the bulk is Amtrak and Metro North! Don at Model Memories has expressed interest in having some of my photos on his site, so look for them in the future. Newhavenguy- I already belong to that forum, and it's great to have modelers as well as old timers who can tell you just about anything, as well as teach you some new four letter words regarding the Penn Central! Reply Edit NHRRJET Member sinceMay 2003 From: US 109 posts Posted by NHRRJET on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:32 PM Gentlemen: Thank you for your kind compliments regarding my NH layout and catenary. I'm sure you will enjoy the upcoming article on my layout in the August MR. After you see it, should you have any questions, please feel free to ask. My feeling is that this knowledge should be shared with others. I am very proud of the fact that the staff of MR thought my work was worthy of their magazine. I truly hope that all of you feel the same. I am also very proud to be a former NYNH&H employee; the New Haven is dead, long live THE NEW YORK, NEW HAVEN AND HARTFORD RAILROAD COMPANY!! Richard L. Abramson Reply NHRRJET Member sinceMay 2003 From: US 109 posts Posted by NHRRJET on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:42 PM Gentlemen of this forum: I wi***o clear something up on an earlier posting. I had indicated that none of the EP-4s ever received McGinnis colors, this is true. Somehow, another quote was included in mine indicating that I planned on painting an EP-4 in McGinnis colors. . . .NOT TRUE! I think this quote was accidentally added to mine. Just want to set the record straight. Richard L. Abramson Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:08 AM Rick- I was at the prototype modeler's meet and enjoyed your slide show/lecture a lot. The magazine article looked great, but I'm sure it'll be better still in color!! Keep up the good work! Reply Edit NHRRJET Member sinceMay 2003 From: US 109 posts Posted by NHRRJET on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:39 PM Thanks! I'm really glad you and the others enjoyed the "11000volt" clinic. I truly enjoyed presenting it,and was equally as thrilled with the calibre of questions asked. Richard L. Abramson Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:28 PM I now have 4 of the NH "8600 series commuter cars (from E&B Valley). After assembling, I will install IHC coach interiors in them as well as lighting. I'll have to look at the movie "The Out of Towners" (Jack Lemon) to see what color the seats were in the coaches as I always paint my interiors. From what I remember, the interior walls and ceiling should be yellow-tan or cream, but I don't remember what color the seats were! [:)][:D][8D][8)] Guys, thanks again for your help! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply NHRRJET Member sinceMay 2003 From: US 109 posts Posted by NHRRJET on Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:43 PM The green stripe on the NH 8600 series coaches is not left over from the NH. ALL the stainless steel cars in this series, coaches,parlors,diners and grill cars rec'd the red/orange window panel. PC painted the green on the window panels. The seats were a dark, royal blue velour type of material. Richard L. Abramson Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Sunday, June 27, 2004 7:47 AM NHRRJET, Thanks again! [8D] Glad you mentioned this. You're correct! I forgot to take into account that the picture in the Don Ball book of the NH train is during the Penn Central era (The EP5 shown is black!). I'll definetly repaint the window panel to the red-orange color with an aibrush. BTW: Is there a formula available for an accurate NH red-orange color or is it already available by model paint manufacturers? Appreciate the info on the seat colors. I'll be putting the sable paint brushes to work. Cheers in Run-8! [4:-)][tup][C):-)][tup] "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply NHRRJET Member sinceMay 2003 From: US 109 posts Posted by NHRRJET on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:58 PM Antonio: Accupaint makes an excellent NH serial 409 red/orange and the "Socony Red" which is actually NH serial #428. Micro-scale makes a great set of NYNH&H passenger car decals. Do you have the NHRHTA Color Chip Book? Its an excellent source for true NYNH&H colors. Richard L. Abramson Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:42 PM Thanks guy! I'm not familiar with Accuflex. I've used Floquil and Testors for years and have recently switched over to Acrylics (Polly Scale, Model Flex, and Model Master Acryl) I'll check with my LHS rep to see if he stocks this paint, or if this number can be crossed referenced to one of the above mentioned brands. Thanks again! [C):-)][tup] "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply NHRRJET Member sinceMay 2003 From: US 109 posts Posted by NHRRJET on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:18 AM That's ACCUPAINT, not ACCUFLEX! If you check the Walthers website for Accupaint they show all the colors with stock numbers. I've been painting with Accupaint since the 1970's and think its great! Richard L. Abramson Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 7:49 AM My slip-up! It is Accu-paint. I was able to get the info. In the ModelFlex paint line from Badger the New Haven Red Orange code is 16-182. I've switched over to acrylics as my wife was complaining about the smell of Floquil and some of the other solvent based finishes, even if I painted outside. I didn't like waterbased paints in the past as I felt they weren't durable. However, at the annual H&R train show this past spring, John Lee of Badger put on an impressive airbrushing demonstration using ModelFlex paints. Fast drying, super smooth flow out, and virtually NO SMELL. In the Badger Airbrush chart book there is a picture of John's award- winning HO Burlington Northern EMD switcher. I decided to give water based paints another try. While there is a small learning curve, I've been very satisfied. Currently I'm using ModelFlex, Polly Scale and Model Master Acryl. It's not my intention to "bad talk" the solvent based finishes. I still have Scale Coat paint that I will use for the Alclad Metalizing system. My main motivation for the acrylics is the low toxicity levels, though I still use and recommend a respirator. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply 12 Subscriber & Member Login Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! 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QUOTE: By the way do you know of any websites where there is a picture of the prototype EP4? To my surprise there are none on the www.railpictures.net website.
As for body mounting the couplers on the commuter cars, I'd go for this as long as they would be able to negotiate "22 radius. Thanks again!
QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Had a pleasant surprise surfing New Haven related sites. An old color picture of a New Haven Alco DL109 in McGinnis colors! I had always thought that these units remained in the green colors until they were retired. Sad that none of these units survived. JoeCool, Sounds like you're referring to the present modern equipment thats been "painted" in the New Haven scheme. This was done by a state agency, not sure which one. It is really neat the New Haven "lives on". The actual New Haven Railroad was absorbed into the Penn Central on or just before 1970, which in the mid-70s became Conrail.
QUOTE: Originally posted by adrianiu Anybody model the NH under wire? I just added a 5' mainline diaroma to my layout with Model Memories' catenary bridges and wire. Also, check out next month's MR, I got a sneak peak from Rick Abramson at a lecture, and you don't want to miss this one, NH fans!